Jose Offerman punches Ump

[Ump153]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

As do the rest of us

Not true, Steve. There are some who insist that how they would handle it as amatuers is how DJ should have handled it.

Duh. This is some special knowledge that only you and some select others here possess?

Anyone could understand Steve. Some have chosen not to.

I'll repeat for the final time. Those of us who believe DJ handled the situation appropriately for his level and circumstance have never argued that this would work at all levels. However, those who believe their approach is superior suggest it should be used at all levels.

Which side is really being intolerant?

And, I thought we had gotten beyond the insults, Steve.

[SanDiegoSteve]

It's just your blatant cockiness that fuels my distaste for most of your posts. You may not mean to, but somehow you come across as some big shot umpiring guru, or expert authority on the subject, and that you have a special understanding that the rest of us unwashed masses don't. I am sure I'm not alone on an island by saying this. Most people are just way too polite to say it to you. When people who freely speak their mind, like Larry or myself speak, we are speaking for others who just keep silent. I'm sure you're a great guy in real life, you just seem really cocky and condescending in many of your posts here.

[Ump153]

And, yet, if you read this thread, it is Larry and his friend who profess that their answer is THE answer, while we others acknowledge that what we support has limited use. Interesting. I think you are looking at this with preconceived opinions, Steve.

I am not the one who has posted "You are no where near my level in baseball knowledge", "I am an expert in (insert your choice of hitting, pitching, history)", "I know what all ball players contribute to charity, but I can't reveal my source", ad nauseum. And I know you will not find a post in which I post of the level of ball I call.

And, considering the PM's I've received in the past two days, it's doubtful that Larry is speaking for very many.

But, perception is reality as they say, my friend. Please feel free to disregard any post I make and I will refrain from responding to you.

Enjoy.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by Ump153

And, yet, if you read this thread, it is Larry and his friend who profess that their answer is THE answer, while we others acknowledge that what we support has limited use. Interesting. I think you are looking at this with preconceived opinions, Steve.

I am not the one who has posted "You are no where near my level in baseball knowledge", "I am an expert in (insert your choice of hitting, pitching, history)", "I know what all ball players contribute to charity, but I can't reveal my source", ad nauseum. And I know you will not find a post in which I post of the level of ball I call.

And, considering the PM's I've received in the past two days, it's doubtful that Larry is speaking for very many.

But, perception is reality as they say, my friend. Please feel free to disregard any post I make and I will refrain from responding to you.

Enjoy.

Larry is the genuine article. You can choose to dismiss his long history involving the game of baseball, but having had a great many private conversations with him, I have found that he is not exaggerating, but in fact being modest in not revealing his sources. His posts come from a desire to share what he knows about certain baseball topics, and I've never seen him do it in a mean-spirited, condescending manner.

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Larry is the genuine article. You can choose to dismiss his long history involving the game of baseball, but having had a great many private conversations with him, I have found that he is not exaggerating, but in fact being modest in not revealing his sources. His posts come from a desire to share what he knows about certain baseball topics, and I've never seen him do it in a mean-spirited, condescending manner.

I was convinced of Finnerty's level of expertise when he argued endlessly that ejections were never necessary and how proud he was the he had never, in all his years, ejectected anyone. Then after a few months he, he flipped flopped 180 degrees.

Yes, he is certainly the genuine article.

SanDiegoSteve, you can stand up for anyone you want. But don't so readily dismiss those whose work you do not know.

Personally, I am suspicious of posters who fee the need to blow their own horns so loudly, but since I discovered the ignore feature, I am exposed to one fewer of those.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

You may not mean to, but somehow you come across as some big shot umpiring guru, or expert authority on the subject, and that you have a special understanding that the rest of us unwashed masses don't.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Pot, meet kettle!

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by mbyron

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Pot, meet kettle!

I never claimed my training was "better" than anyone else's. I have mentioned my extensive training, but so what? It's not the same thing. I have only mentioned these things when my ability was being called into question, not as the focus of every post. I state it only to establish my credentials, not to lord it over people.

[Kevin Finnerty]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

I never claimed my training was "better" than anyone else's. I have mentioned my extensive training, but so what? It's not the same thing. I have only mentioned these things when my ability was being called into question, not as the focus of every post. I state it only to establish my credentials, not to lord it over people.

That's exactly right.

This 153 guy--the finest umpire of all of us--constantly places himself above virtually all others by degrading the work, status, or mere place in this world of many other umpires. He even takes citations of one's experience and distorts it into boasting, and then makes up boastful remarks and puts them into quotes, like they were ever said.

It's okay when someone is first enjoying familiarity with something, and then immediately portrays himself as an accomplished member of that field. People do it all the time. It's no surprise that this guy would do it also. But as we've seen time and time again, he'll condescend and degrade and disrespect until he runs out of words to misspell. Good heavens, this time he's even taken to starting another screen name character (runem) to ride the high horse with him and agree with everything he posts. That's where it gets a little ridiculous.

More than a just a couple qualified voices here have taken exception to the manner in which pros and 153 blindly support the mistakes of other professionals. It's a poor way to gain from those mistakes, but gaining isn't always the goal for some.

[Durham]

Kevin,

I know you are smart enough to ignore someone on the web that won't put their name to it. Have a great season and will see some of you at the clinic this weekend in LA.

[Kevin Finnerty]

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[GA Umpire]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

It's just your blatant cockiness that fuels my distaste for most of your posts. You may not mean to, but somehow you come across as some big shot umpiring guru, or expert authority on the subject, and that you have a special understanding that the rest of us unwashed masses don't. I am sure I'm not alone on an island by saying this. Most people are just way too polite to say it to you. When people who freely speak their mind, like Larry or myself speak, we are speaking for others who just keep silent. I'm sure you're a great guy in real life, you just seem really cocky and condescending in many of your posts here.

I can promise you. I'll be one of the silent polite ones.
I try to stick with what I am talking about and not the person I am talking to.

As for this topic, in general, I think Finnerty is right in that this is not how to handle a situation.

I think what happened is both were heated and DJ said the wrong thing(thinking he was dealing with a sane person but he was wrong). For MLB and maybe MiLB, this is fine b/c it is part of the show at that level. For this Dominican league, it was not apparently or at least DJ didn't realize how pathetic Offerman is.

If DJ could have kept his feet after the contact, he should have. He was lucky that others acted quickly to help prevent Offerman from doing any more damage. He didn't have to go down to get Offerman suspended. That should have come automatically.

It was wise of them to leave the tournament. Let the locals deal with that. I hope they find it very difficult to cover things properly and would come to value the American umpires and what they are doing more. I doubt it though.

Maybe DJ confused how to handle a MLB/MiLB manager with how to handle a non-MLB/MiLB manager. It is possible that he didn't realize the level he was dealing with and should have approached it differently. That is a possibility as well. DJ might have been in the wrong here or it is just an isolated incident in which he was dealing with a moron and didn't realize it.