Jose Offerman punches Ump

[Ump153]

DJ did his job as crew chief appropriately, as trained, and with restraint. He got in between his plate ump and the manager and folded his arms to keep the manager at a distance from his body and make himself less vulnerable to a bump or other contact.

Each year fewer MiLB umpires are willing to work winter ball in Latin America for fear of this kind of behavior and threats made off the field. Two umpires who have worked down south in the past have told me that except for games, they never left their hotel rooms out of such fear.

High school umpires have no business passing judgment on DJ in this incident.

[batboy22]

Originally Posted by Ump153

DJ did his job as crew chief appropriately, as trained, and with restraint. He got in between his plate ump and the manager and folded his arms to keep the manager at a distance from his body and make himself less vulnerable to a bump or other contact.

Each year fewer MiLB umpires are willing to work winter ball in Latin America for fear of this kind of behavior and threats made off the field. Two umpires who have worked down south in the past have told me that except for games, they never left their hotel rooms out of such fear.

High school umpires have no business passing judgment on DJ in this incident.

I have a couple friend who in the past have been down there for winter ball and have said similar things. As far as how bad it can get.
Btw I enjoy watching DJ work when he gets called up to MLB

[jicecone]

Again, the HC should have the book thrown at him, even charges filed.

I am also well aware, of where that game took place, which is even more surprising at the way it was handled, knowing the dungeon they were working in and it's reputation.

Again , and I mean this sincerly, there is NO justification for the HC, NONE. But, in my opinion, which may mean squat, the crew chief did not handle this correct. And for those that need instructions on how it could of been handled differently, spend 25 years officiating Ice Hockey and you will begin to understand.

[Ump153]

Originally Posted by jicecone

Again
Again , and I mean this sincerly, there is NO justification for the HC, NONE. But, in my opinion, which may mean squat, the crew chief did not handle this correct. And for those that need instructions on how it could of been handled differently, spend 25 years officiating Ice Hockey and you will begin to understand.

You are entitled to your opinion, but, again, DJ did as he was trained to do, and in that time and place, it was appropriate. And if you need instructions as to why, receive the same training as he did, become a AAA MiLB umpire, and work in the Dominican League, and you will begin to understand.

I wouldn't second guess a trained hockey official doing what he was trained to do, and I won't second guess DJ doing what he was trained to do.

We are obviously seeing the video with different eyes and different backgrounds, but I really don't see all this agression some apparently do. I see far more protective stances than agressive stances by the crew chief.

[SAump]

Play involving the catcher's ejection.

YouTube - jose offerman - lucha libre #2.flv

[KJUmp]

Originally Posted by Ump153

You are entitle to your opinion, but, again, DJ did as he was trained to do, and in that time and place, it was appropriate. And if you need instructions as to why, receive the same training as he did, become a AAA MiLB umpire, and work in the Dominican League, and you will begin to understand.\

I wouldn't second guess a trained hockey official doing what he was trained to do, and I won't second guess DJ doing what he was trained to do.

We are obviously seeing the video with different eyes and different backgrounds, but I really don't see all this agression some apparently do. I see far more protective stances than agressive stances by the crew chief.

Ump 153...As your previous post...once again well put. Some guys just don't get it that when your in the Dominican umpiring you're "not in Kansas anymore."

[Cub42]

Nice job 153

[umpref]

I am not just a high school umpire. As usual, we see another case of professional umpires who seem to do everything possible to fan the flames. Hands on hips. Two umpires on one person. Coach talking to one umpire and another umpire cuts in front and get's in his face to talk in an animated fashion. Walking TOWARDS the coach was talking in an animated fashion. Folding the arms.

Fail! But these are the kinds of things I see from MANY ex and current professional umpires, during pro, college, and high school games. I also see the situations almost ALWAYS blow up and turn into crapstorms.

This guy could have been dealt with much differently. There is NOTHING that could be discussed for THAT LONG on the field! PERIOD! By them even allowing the guy to carry on that long without ejecting him is a fail! Then to display all the aggresive behavior towards him.

"This is what I got coach". After you explain, it is OVER! There is nothing else to talk about. No further dialog is needed once he asks why and you explain. I tell them it is over. If they keep carrying on, I explain that I am going back to my position. If they are still there when I get to that position, they are gone. Eject if needed and TURN AWAY AND LET YOUR PARTNERS GET HIM OUT OF THE PARK! If he refused to go, get security to take care of it.

[Ump153]

Originally Posted by umpref

I am not just a high school umpire. As usual, we see another case of professional umpires who seem to do everything possible to fan the flames. Hands on hips. Two umpires on one person. Coach talking to one umpire and another umpire cuts in front and get's in his face to talk in an animated fashion. Walking TOWARDS the coach was talking in an animated fashion. Folding the arms.

Wow. What video were you watching? DJ got between his partner and the manager as is supposed to. You can even see him trying to "shoo" away his partner. Jose was the agressive party, not DJ

"This is what I got coach". After you explain, it is OVER! There is nothing else to talk about. No further dialog is needed once he asks why and you explain. I tell them it is over. If they keep carrying on, I explain that I am going back to my position. If they are still there when I get to that position, they are gone. Eject if needed and TURN AWAY AND LET YOUR PARTNERS GET HIM OUT OF THE PARK! If he refused to go, get security to take care of it.

I suppose that works in Midvale. I'll be sure to recommend it to DJ next time I see him.

[umpref]

Originally Posted by Ump153

Wow. What video were you watching? DJ got between his partner and the manager as is supposed to. You can even see him trying to "shoo" away his partner. Jose was the agressive party, not DJ




I suppose that works in Midvale. I'll be sure to recommend it to DJ next time I see him.

Well, I cannot comment about what works in Midvale. I DO however have a rather extensive background with arguing, both the way you see it done in this video, and the way I do it now. I can say with complete certainty that the way I do it now SETTLES DOWN the confrontation and avoids ejections. The way I used to handle it (like in the video) led to a lot of crapstorms (just like in the video).

I could care less if he handled it the way they are taught. They way they are taught doesn't seem to work so well eh?

[Ump153]

Originally Posted by umpref

Well, I cannot comment about what works in Midvale. I DO however have a rather extensive background with arguing, both the way you see it done in this video, and the way I do it now. I can say with complete certainty that the way I do it now SETTLES DOWN the confrontation and avoids ejections. The way I used to handle it (like in the video) led to a lot of crapstorms (just like in the video).

Oh, God. Another one of those. Got your gi on?

Yes I can see just from this exchange how superior your technique is. Already I've stopped thinking of you as the complete fool you are.

Wow, you're right. You've difused everything.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Oops. Sorry, Sensei.

[umpref]

Originally Posted by Ump153

Oh, God. Another one of those. Got your gi on?

Yes I can see just from this exchange how superior your technique is. Already I've stopped thinking of you as the complete fool you are.

Wow, you're right. You've difused everything.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Oops. Sorry, Sensei.

So there IS hope for you!

[KJUmp]

Originally Posted by umpref

Well, I cannot comment about what works in Midvale. I DO however have a rather extensive background with arguing, both the way you see it done in this video, and the way I do it now. I can say with complete certainty that the way I do it now SETTLES DOWN the confrontation and avoids ejections. The way I used to handle it (like in the video) led to a lot of crapstorms (just like in the video).

I could care less if he handled it the way they are taught. They way they are taught doesn't seem to work so well eh?

OK...I'll repeat this once again to all of the "experts" who know just how they would handle themselves on the field when the s**t hits the fan in the Dominican.....you have no idea what has transpired over the length of the entire 50 game regular season or the 18 games in the round robin playoff format. D.J. did what he had to do, he did it when it needed to be done, in the manner he felt he needed to do it, and without hesitation. Also, keep this in mind, there was only one umpire who was going to have Bradley's back...and it wasn't any of the four "locals" who were on the crew.
Umpref....if you think your...."here's what I got coach" patter was going to work with Offerman....well you've been drinking too much of that Midvale Kool-Aid.

[Steven Tyler]

The American umpires have quit. Not sure how that will translate since this is the playoffs and how many are left in the umpire pool.

Time to take a break anyway. A long season awaits.

[Kevin Finnerty]

Originally Posted by umpref

Well, I cannot comment about what works in Midvale. I DO however have a rather extensive background with arguing, both the way you see it done in this video, and the way I do it now. I can say with complete certainty that the way I do it now SETTLES DOWN the confrontation and avoids ejections. The way I used to handle it (like in the video) led to a lot of crapstorms (just like in the video).

I could care less if he handled it the way they are taught. They way they are taught doesn't seem to work so well eh?

Some people, like one of this guy's defenders, seem to require experience under specific conditions and circumstances to gain any value from the experience.

Others, like you and me, require only life's general experiences to shape our approach to people in any situation---especially a tense one.

And we're not just high school umpires, nor do we call on only our umpiring skills and experience to manage people in tense situations. That's why we are successful in managing people on whatever level we work, and at whatever capacity in life.