The Official Forum  

Go Back   The Official Forum > Basketball
Register FAQ Community Calendar Today's Posts Search

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
  #46 (permalink)  
Old Tue Jan 22, 2013, 07:38am
Esteemed Forum Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Connecticut
Posts: 23,223
Do Editors Edit Anymore ???

Quote:
Originally Posted by CMHCoachNRef View Post
It is not requested largely because coaches have no idea the rule exists.
Because, for a few years back in the 1990's, it didn't exist. For some reason, it was inadvertently left out of the rule book, and then reinstated. No reason, no explanation. My local IAABO interpreter told me that I was one of only a few officials, nationally, that noticed the error, that led to having the rule reinstated. I don't know if that's true, or not. Maybe he just told me that to make me feel important.
__________________
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." (John 3:16)

“I was in prison and you came to visit me.” (Matthew 25:36)
Reply With Quote
  #47 (permalink)  
Old Tue Jan 22, 2013, 07:40am
Esteemed Forum Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Connecticut
Posts: 23,223
Fasten Your Seatbelt, We're Going To Cuba

Quote:
Originally Posted by ODog View Post
How has this thread reached three pages without anyone calling B.S. on Seanwestref's questions?
I just don't like him "shifting gears" in the middle of a thread. It's like he's hijacking his own thread. He should try clicking on the new thread button. It works every time.
__________________
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." (John 3:16)

“I was in prison and you came to visit me.” (Matthew 25:36)

Last edited by BillyMac; Tue Jan 22, 2013 at 08:00am.
Reply With Quote
  #48 (permalink)  
Old Tue Jan 22, 2013, 01:16pm
APG APG is offline
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 5,889
Quote:
Originally Posted by ODog View Post
How has this thread reached three pages without anyone calling B.S. on Seanwestref's questions?

I know and respect the spirit of treating everyone with an open mind, but ...

There is absolutely NO WAY he is an official who has ever sat through any sort of class or passed any sort of test. NO. WAY.

I'm not saying he doesn't do games at some level somewhere, but suddenly 3-whistle games? Please.
No, there's nothing the OP has asked that is necessarily out of the ordinary for newer officials. Just because you may have found them to be rudimentary or easy doesn't mean a new official will pick it up off the bat.

And you don't know the circumstances behind why the official is working 3-man.

And to the seanwestref...if you have drastically different scenarios not related to the original thread, you'd have an easier time getting answers by starting a new thread.
__________________
Chaos isn't a pit. Chaos is a ladder. Many who try to climb it fail and never get to try again. The fall breaks them. And some, given a chance to climb, they refuse. They cling to the realm, or the gods, or love. Illusions.

Only the ladder is real. The climb is all there is.


Last edited by APG; Wed Jan 23, 2013 at 01:22pm.
Reply With Quote
  #49 (permalink)  
Old Tue Jan 22, 2013, 01:20pm
AremRed
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Quote:
Originally Posted by BillyMac View Post
I just don't like him "shifting gears" in the middle of a thread. It's like he's hijacking his own thread. He should try clicking on the new thread button. It works every time.
Quote:
Originally Posted by APG View Post
...if you have drastically different scenarios not related to the original thread, you'd have an easier time getting answers by starting a new thread.
Thanks! I will create a new thread from now on. In this case, I thought I would knock out all my questions in one place instead of cluttering the front page.

Last edited by AremRed; Tue Jan 22, 2013 at 01:22pm. Reason: grammar
Reply With Quote
  #50 (permalink)  
Old Tue Jan 22, 2013, 01:23pm
APG APG is offline
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 5,889
Quote:
Originally Posted by seanwestref View Post
Thanks! I will create a new thread from now on. In this case, I thought I would knock out all my questions in one place instead of cluttering the front page.
You could make one thread and ask about multiple scenarios.
__________________
Chaos isn't a pit. Chaos is a ladder. Many who try to climb it fail and never get to try again. The fall breaks them. And some, given a chance to climb, they refuse. They cling to the realm, or the gods, or love. Illusions.

Only the ladder is real. The climb is all there is.

Reply With Quote
  #51 (permalink)  
Old Tue Jan 22, 2013, 04:22pm
Administrator
 
Join Date: Sep 1999
Location: Toledo, Ohio, U.S.A.
Posts: 8,083
Quote:
Originally Posted by just another ref View Post
If you request it, you're a captain.


+1,000 plus a fine Cuban cigar.

MTD, Sr.
__________________
Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.
Trumbull Co. (Warren, Ohio) Bkb. Off. Assn.
Wood Co. (Bowling Green, Ohio) Bkb. Off. Assn.
Ohio Assn. of Basketball Officials
International Assn. of Approved Bkb. Officials
Ohio High School Athletic Association
Toledo, Ohio
Reply With Quote
  #52 (permalink)  
Old Tue Jan 22, 2013, 04:30pm
We don't rent pigs
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Posts: 7,627
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. View Post
+1,000 plus a fine Cuban cigar.

MTD, Sr.
Smoking is bad for you and Cuban cigars are illegal in this country.

How'd you get to be a moderator?
__________________
I swear, Gus, you'd argue with a possum.
It'd be easier than arguing with you, Woodrow.


Lonesome Dove
Reply With Quote
  #53 (permalink)  
Old Tue Jan 22, 2013, 04:32pm
Administrator
 
Join Date: Sep 1999
Location: Toledo, Ohio, U.S.A.
Posts: 8,083
Quote:
Originally Posted by just another ref View Post
Smoking is bad for you and Cuban cigars are illegal in this country.

How'd you get to be a moderator?

As a Godfather from Youngstown, Ohio, I made Brad an offer he couldn't refuse, .

MTD, Sr.
__________________
Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.
Trumbull Co. (Warren, Ohio) Bkb. Off. Assn.
Wood Co. (Bowling Green, Ohio) Bkb. Off. Assn.
Ohio Assn. of Basketball Officials
International Assn. of Approved Bkb. Officials
Ohio High School Athletic Association
Toledo, Ohio
Reply With Quote
  #54 (permalink)  
Old Tue Jan 22, 2013, 07:13pm
Medium Kahuna
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: At home
Posts: 791
Quote:
Originally Posted by just another ref View Post
Smoking is bad for you and Cuban cigars are illegal in this country.
Possessing Cuban cigars is not illegal. Importing, distributing, and selling them are illegal.
__________________
Never trust an atom: they make up everything.
Reply With Quote
  #55 (permalink)  
Old Wed Jan 23, 2013, 11:14am
AremRed
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
I feel ODog deserves a reply.

Quote:
Originally Posted by ODog View Post
How has this thread reached three pages without anyone calling B.S. on Seanwestref's questions?
Maybe because they are more polite than you? What would "calling BS" on my questions look like? Am I not allowed to ask simple, basic questions? (sarcasm here, also rhetorical)

Quote:
Originally Posted by APG View Post
Just because you may have found them to be rudimentary or easy...
Ah, there it is. I am not advanced enough for ODog. Good thing others are more tolerant of young officials, and are willing to help them with questions almost every young official deals with.

Down, ODog, Down! Bad ODog!

Quote:
Originally Posted by ODog View Post
I know and respect the spirit of treating everyone with an open mind, but ...
I hope your friends have learned to simply ignore anything you say after "but", because I am fast learning to. You are a lot more polite before you put in the "but".

Quote:
Originally Posted by ODog View Post
There is absolutely NO WAY he is an official who has ever sat through any sort of class or passed any sort of test. NO. WAY.
"Absolutely NO WAY"? How confident are you? Would you stake your life on it? Taking the (in my area) NFHS test is not that difficult. It is, after all, an open-book test. (yes I passed)

Quote:
Originally Posted by ODog View Post
I'm not saying he doesn't do games at some level somewhere, but suddenly 3-whistle games? Please.
Again with the "but". Yes, "suddenly 3-whistle games". If you want to know how I got this opportunity, simply ask me. Otherwise: http://i.imgur.com/06hE1.gif

Quote:
Originally Posted by APG View Post
And you don't know the circumstances behind why the official is working 3-man.
Again, you don't know.

Quote:
Originally Posted by ODog View Post
Please.
And thank you, good sir!

Last edited by AremRed; Wed Jan 23, 2013 at 11:17am. Reason: grammar
Reply With Quote
  #56 (permalink)  
Old Wed Jan 23, 2013, 12:03pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 528
Quote:
Originally Posted by seanwestref View Post
"Absolutely NO WAY"? How confident are you? Would you stake your life on it? Taking the (in my area) NFHS test is not that difficult. It is, after all, an open-book test. (yes I passed)
Are there any classroom sessions prior to the test date where an interpreter walks aspiring officials through the rules book or is it just show up with a book on test day and release for assignment anyone who passes?
Reply With Quote
  #57 (permalink)  
Old Wed Jan 23, 2013, 12:18pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Aug 1999
Location: In the offseason.
Posts: 12,263
Quote:
Originally Posted by ODog View Post
Are there any classroom sessions prior to the test date where an interpreter walks aspiring officials through the rules book or is it just show up with a book on test day and release for assignment anyone who passes?
Why would that matter? I've been doing this 20 years and I dig into the rules deeper than most and I still find things that I didn't know occasionally.

For most rookies, they get a lot of stuff wrong even after they've heard it....it is overload. You can find a lot of stuff in the book as you need while taking the test but that doesn't mean they're remember it all on demand.
__________________
Owner/Developer of RefTown.com
Commissioner, Portland Basketball Officials Association
Reply With Quote
  #58 (permalink)  
Old Wed Jan 23, 2013, 12:44pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 528
Quote:
Originally Posted by Camron Rust View Post
Why would that matter?
Because classes make it significantly less likely you'll have a "certified" official calling 3 seconds on inbounds plays and during shot and rebound attempts. Just offering the exam without any contextual rules/floor training is irresponsible and unfair to local teams who use that pool of officials.

Three seconds is also probably the top myth debunked in a new officials class, the kind of "light bulb" information that makes you say to yourself, "Whoa. That's one to file away."

I know some of you think this is coming from some high-and-mighty douche, but trust me, I know I'm the donk who ruled "back of the backboard" on an inbounds pass that wound up on the court.

I just find it scary and borderline reckless that someone who actually has a rules book, passed a test and is doing games isn't familiar with the 3-second rule -- at all.

That's why I found the whole thread fishy and perhaps a "chain yank" that had gone on too long (insert Manti Te'o joke here).

Once again, I was wrong. So now I'm just curious if classes are available to aspiring officials in seanwestref's area.
Reply With Quote
  #59 (permalink)  
Old Wed Jan 23, 2013, 12:48pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Katy, Texas
Posts: 8,033
Quote:
Originally Posted by seanwestref View Post
Right, but as bob jenkins suggested, perhaps give some leeway during an interrupted dribble? I can see team A having a frontcourt baseline throw-in, player A1 being in the lane for two seconds before the ball is passed inbounds, and then remaining for one second after the ball is inbounds. In such a case I could call three seconds,
If you did, you'd be wrong.
__________________
I was thinking of the immortal words of Socrates, who said, 'I drank what?'”

West Houston Mike
Reply With Quote
  #60 (permalink)  
Old Wed Jan 23, 2013, 12:49pm
We don't rent pigs
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Posts: 7,627
Quote:
Originally Posted by ODog View Post
Three seconds is also probably the top myth debunked in a new officials class, the kind of "light bulb" information that makes you say to yourself, "Whoa. That's one to file away."
Curious as to the specifics of the "myth" as taught in your class.
__________________
I swear, Gus, you'd argue with a possum.
It'd be easier than arguing with you, Woodrow.


Lonesome Dove
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Question about new rule - but (probably) not what you think. Mark Padgett Basketball 4 Wed Jun 18, 2008 07:38am
Rule question Terrapins Fan Basketball 8 Fri Feb 22, 2008 03:15pm
Rule Question secondregionbug Basketball 2 Fri Nov 30, 2007 11:04am
rule question csuram Baseball 3 Sat May 27, 2006 10:29pm
Rule Question and Mechanics Question Stair-Climber Softball 15 Fri May 06, 2005 06:44am


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:14pm.



Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.3.0 RC1