Rule question

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by CMHCoachNRef

It is not requested largely because coaches have no idea the rule exists.

Because, for a few years back in the 1990's, it didn't exist. For some reason, it was inadvertently left out of the rule book, and then reinstated. No reason, no explanation. My local IAABO interpreter told me that I was one of only a few officials, nationally, that noticed the error, that led to having the rule reinstated. I don't know if that's true, or not. Maybe he just told me that to make me feel important.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by ODog

How has this thread reached three pages without anyone calling B.S. on Seanwestref's questions?

I just don't like him "shifting gears" in the middle of a thread. It's like he's hijacking his own thread. He should try clicking on the new thread button. It works every time.

[APG]

Originally Posted by ODog

How has this thread reached three pages without anyone calling B.S. on Seanwestref's questions?

I know and respect the spirit of treating everyone with an open mind, but ...

There is absolutely NO WAY he is an official who has ever sat through any sort of class or passed any sort of test. NO. WAY.

I'm not saying he doesn't do games at some level somewhere, but suddenly 3-whistle games? Please.

No, there's nothing the OP has asked that is necessarily out of the ordinary for newer officials. Just because you may have found them to be rudimentary or easy doesn't mean a new official will pick it up off the bat.

And you don't know the circumstances behind why the official is working 3-man.

And to the seanwestref...if you have drastically different scenarios not related to the original thread, you'd have an easier time getting answers by starting a new thread.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I just don't like him "shifting gears" in the middle of a thread. It's like he's hijacking his own thread. He should try clicking on the new thread button. It works every time.

Originally Posted by APG

...if you have drastically different scenarios not related to the original thread, you'd have an easier time getting answers by starting a new thread.

Thanks! I will create a new thread from now on. In this case, I thought I would knock out all my questions in one place instead of cluttering the front page.

[APG]

Originally Posted by seanwestref

Thanks! I will create a new thread from now on. In this case, I thought I would knock out all my questions in one place instead of cluttering the front page.

You could make one thread and ask about multiple scenarios.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by just another ref

If you request it, you're a captain.

+1,000 plus a fine Cuban cigar.

MTD, Sr.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

+1,000 plus a fine Cuban cigar.

MTD, Sr.

Smoking is bad for you and Cuban cigars are illegal in this country.

How'd you get to be a moderator?

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Smoking is bad for you and Cuban cigars are illegal in this country.

How'd you get to be a moderator?

As a Godfather from Youngstown, Ohio, I made Brad an offer he couldn't refuse, .

MTD, Sr.

[maven]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Smoking is bad for you and Cuban cigars are illegal in this country.

Possessing Cuban cigars is not illegal. Importing, distributing, and selling them are illegal.

Originally Posted by ODog

How has this thread reached three pages without anyone calling B.S. on Seanwestref's questions?

Maybe because they are more polite than you? What would "calling BS" on my questions look like? Am I not allowed to ask simple, basic questions? (sarcasm here, also rhetorical)

Originally Posted by APG

Just because you may have found them to be rudimentary or easy...

Ah, there it is. I am not advanced enough for ODog. Good thing others are more tolerant of young officials, and are willing to help them with questions almost every young official deals with.

Down, ODog, Down! Bad ODog!

Originally Posted by ODog

I know and respect the spirit of treating everyone with an open mind, but ...

I hope your friends have learned to simply ignore anything you say after "but", because I am fast learning to. You are a lot more polite before you put in the "but".

Originally Posted by ODog

There is absolutely NO WAY he is an official who has ever sat through any sort of class or passed any sort of test. NO. WAY.

"Absolutely NO WAY"? How confident are you? Would you stake your life on it? Taking the (in my area) NFHS test is not that difficult. It is, after all, an open-book test. (yes I passed)

Originally Posted by ODog

I'm not saying he doesn't do games at some level somewhere, but suddenly 3-whistle games? Please.

Again with the "but". Yes, "suddenly 3-whistle games". If you want to know how I got this opportunity, simply ask me. Otherwise: http://i.imgur.com/06hE1.gif

Originally Posted by APG

And you don't know the circumstances behind why the official is working 3-man.

Again, you don't know.

Originally Posted by ODog

Please.

And thank you, good sir!

[ODog]

Originally Posted by seanwestref

"Absolutely NO WAY"? How confident are you? Would you stake your life on it? Taking the (in my area) NFHS test is not that difficult. It is, after all, an open-book test. (yes I passed)

Are there any classroom sessions prior to the test date where an interpreter walks aspiring officials through the rules book or is it just show up with a book on test day and release for assignment anyone who passes?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by ODog

Are there any classroom sessions prior to the test date where an interpreter walks aspiring officials through the rules book or is it just show up with a book on test day and release for assignment anyone who passes?

Why would that matter? I've been doing this 20 years and I dig into the rules deeper than most and I still find things that I didn't know occasionally.

For most rookies, they get a lot of stuff wrong even after they've heard it....it is overload. You can find a lot of stuff in the book as you need while taking the test but that doesn't mean they're remember it all on demand.

[ODog]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Why would that matter?

Because classes make it significantly less likely you'll have a "certified" official calling 3 seconds on inbounds plays and during shot and rebound attempts. Just offering the exam without any contextual rules/floor training is irresponsible and unfair to local teams who use that pool of officials.

Three seconds is also probably the top myth debunked in a new officials class, the kind of "light bulb" information that makes you say to yourself, "Whoa. That's one to file away."

I know some of you think this is coming from some high-and-mighty douche, but trust me, I know I'm the donk who ruled "back of the backboard" on an inbounds pass that wound up on the court.

I just find it scary and borderline reckless that someone who actually has a rules book, passed a test and is doing games isn't familiar with the 3-second rule -- at all.

That's why I found the whole thread fishy and perhaps a "chain yank" that had gone on too long (insert Manti Te'o joke here).

Once again, I was wrong. So now I'm just curious if classes are available to aspiring officials in seanwestref's area.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by seanwestref

Right, but as bob jenkins suggested, perhaps give some leeway during an interrupted dribble? I can see team A having a frontcourt baseline throw-in, player A1 being in the lane for two seconds before the ball is passed inbounds, and then remaining for one second after the ball is inbounds. In such a case I could call three seconds,

If you did, you'd be wrong.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by ODog

Three seconds is also probably the top myth debunked in a new officials class, the kind of "light bulb" information that makes you say to yourself, "Whoa. That's one to file away."

Curious as to the specifics of the "myth" as taught in your class.