Rule question

What does NFHS rule 3-3-1e mean?

[just another ref]

Basically, when one team has multiple subs, the other team can say:

Wait a minute, until everybody knows who his man is.

[Lcubed48]

Originally Posted by seanwestref

What does NFHS rule 3-3-1e mean?

3-3-1e. A captain may request a defensive match-up if three or more substitutes from the same team enter during an opportunity to substitute.

If one team brings in 3 or more subs at one time, the other team can request a moment to figure out who is guarding whom. It's meant to be a quick situation. Don't allow the coaches to turn it into a free time out. Also, nobody has to go and line up at the division line.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Cubed

Nobody has to go and line up at the division line.

Back in the olden days, players would "line up" around the jump ball circles (there were three jump ball circles back then), not by rule, but by "custom".

[Indianaref]

I have yet to have a captain request this.

[CMHCoachNRef]

Originally Posted by Indianaref

I have yet to have a captain request this.

That is largely because about 99.95% of captains (and, likely, 90% of their coaches) have no idea the rule is there....

[johnny d]

Originally Posted by CMHCoachNRef

That is largely because about 99.95% of captains (and, likely, 90% of their coaches) have no idea the rule is there....

even if they knew the rule, i doubt it would be requested much.....how hard can it be to figure out who you are guarding?

[#olderthanilook]

What if.....

there isn't a defensive team captain on the floor to request the "match game" moment?

[CMHCoachNRef]

Originally Posted by johnny d

even if they knew the rule, i doubt it would be requested much.....how hard can it be to figure out who you are guarding?

It is not requested largely because coaches have no idea the rule exists (thanks, Mark ). I can tell you that back when I coached, we virtually always played man-to-man defense in the half court. Most of the teams we played would play a zone defense (until we got ahead with no shot clock). If the other team ran in three subs, I would occasionally ask for a line-up through my players. MOST of the REFEREES did not know the rule, either!!!

In our Varsity Boys game last Saturday night, one of the coaches called a time out specifically because his players managed to have two defenders on one of the wings and NO ONE guarding the point guard leading to an easy basket. In that situation, the team only subbed two players therefore the defense would not have been able to make the request, but it is still a rule.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by CMHCoachNRef

That is largely because about 99.95% of captains (and, likely, 100% of their coaches) have no idea the rule is there....

Fixed it for ya'.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by Indianaref

I have yet to have a captain request this.

Likewise, though in nearly every MSG game I've worked, the beginning of every quarter is a defensive match-up. I never deny it.

[ODog]

How has this thread reached three pages without anyone calling B.S. on Seanwestref's questions?

I know and respect the spirit of treating everyone with an open mind, but ...

There is absolutely NO WAY he is an official who has ever sat through any sort of class or passed any sort of test. NO. WAY.

I'm not saying he doesn't do games at some level somewhere, but suddenly 3-whistle games? Please.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by ODog

How has this thread reached three pages without anyone calling B.S. on Seanwestref's questions?

I just don't like him "shifting gears" in the middle of a thread. It's like he's hijacking his own thread. He should try clicking on the new thread button. It works every time.

[APG]

Originally Posted by ODog

How has this thread reached three pages without anyone calling B.S. on Seanwestref's questions?

I know and respect the spirit of treating everyone with an open mind, but ...

There is absolutely NO WAY he is an official who has ever sat through any sort of class or passed any sort of test. NO. WAY.

I'm not saying he doesn't do games at some level somewhere, but suddenly 3-whistle games? Please.

No, there's nothing the OP has asked that is necessarily out of the ordinary for newer officials. Just because you may have found them to be rudimentary or easy doesn't mean a new official will pick it up off the bat.

And you don't know the circumstances behind why the official is working 3-man.

And to the seanwestref...if you have drastically different scenarios not related to the original thread, you'd have an easier time getting answers by starting a new thread.

Originally Posted by ODog

How has this thread reached three pages without anyone calling B.S. on Seanwestref's questions?

Maybe because they are more polite than you? What would "calling BS" on my questions look like? Am I not allowed to ask simple, basic questions? (sarcasm here, also rhetorical)

Originally Posted by APG

Just because you may have found them to be rudimentary or easy...

Ah, there it is. I am not advanced enough for ODog. Good thing others are more tolerant of young officials, and are willing to help them with questions almost every young official deals with.

Down, ODog, Down! Bad ODog!

Originally Posted by ODog

I know and respect the spirit of treating everyone with an open mind, but ...

I hope your friends have learned to simply ignore anything you say after "but", because I am fast learning to. You are a lot more polite before you put in the "but".

Originally Posted by ODog

There is absolutely NO WAY he is an official who has ever sat through any sort of class or passed any sort of test. NO. WAY.

"Absolutely NO WAY"? How confident are you? Would you stake your life on it? Taking the (in my area) NFHS test is not that difficult. It is, after all, an open-book test. (yes I passed)

Originally Posted by ODog

I'm not saying he doesn't do games at some level somewhere, but suddenly 3-whistle games? Please.

Again with the "but". Yes, "suddenly 3-whistle games". If you want to know how I got this opportunity, simply ask me. Otherwise: http://i.imgur.com/06hE1.gif

Originally Posted by APG

And you don't know the circumstances behind why the official is working 3-man.

Again, you don't know.

Originally Posted by ODog

Please.

And thank you, good sir!