Scab Umpires

[jwwashburn]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Steve,

As you always do you want to make this about my personality when I was not even talking to you or about you. I am not answering any questions for a person that only wants to make this a personal debate.

Turn the page and take the comments for what they were worth. I was not even talking to you at all. I was talking to Joe and he did not seem offended.

Peace

I am offended if you made it up.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by jwwashburn

I am offended if you made it up.

The great thing about this site is you can now look up any comments and things people said on both sides of this issue. If you believe the term scab is inappropriate, I have the right to feel other comments are inappropriate as well. You cannot shape this discussion to just your point of view. The term "scab" is here to stay. The term has a long history in this country and has been used in all kinds of union/company disputes. Many are not going to stop using it because it offends you. Sorry, those are the facts.

Peace

[jwwashburn]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

The great thing about this site is you can now look up any comments and things people said on both sides of this issue. If you believe the term scab is inappropriate, I have the right to feel other comments are inappropriate as well. You cannot shape this discussion to just your point of view. The term "scab" is here to stay. The term has a long history in this country and has been used in all kinds of union/company disputes. Many are not going to stop using it because it offends you. Sorry, those are the facts.

Peace

Jrutledge,

Do you realize that you do not seem to actually reply to what people are saying? Maybe you do this by accident but it sure seems like you do it on purpose.

I already said it does not offend me.

It was asked for you produce something that ANYone said inflammatory or insulting about AMLU guys. You utterly refuse to do so-I think it is because you made it up.

As for your comments about using the word 'scab'...it shows an stunning misunderstanding of civil communication. The issue is not whether or not people use the word. Of course people use the word. Why do you keep telling me that people use the word?

My point is that it is not constructive to use insulting and inflammatory language. It certainly is not in harmony with your sig.

Joe

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by jwwashburn

Jrutledge,

Do you realize that you do not seem to actually reply to what people are saying? Maybe you do this by accident but it sure seems like you do it on purpose.

I already said it does not offend me.

It was asked for you produce something that ANYone said inflammatory or insulting about AMLU guys. You utterly refuse to do so-I think it is because you made it up.

I have answered your question, I just do not agree with you. You also can look up any discussion that we have had here. I am not going to waste my time when this site clearly has a search feature where any of us can look up words, topics and people's posts. I do not refuse to do anything. I think that you are intelligent enough to use the feature and come to a conclusion all by yourself. You have seemed to drawn a conclusion so why do you need me to prove it to you?

Originally Posted by jwwashburn

My point is that it is not constructive to use insulting and inflammatory language. It certainly is not in harmony with your sig.

Joe

I do not thing it matters or has anything to do with being inflammatory on an internet site. If this comment is inflammatory it makes me wonder how umpires like yourself react when other things are said on the field?

Peace

[SanDiegoSteve]

Joe,

It's like talking to a post.

He is not going to answer the question, because he refuses to ever admit that he has made a mistake. He can't come up with any insulting comments directed at AMLU members (which is the question we are asking, Jeff).

Let's just go with the fact that all the harsh words are coming from the MiLB umpire camp, and not from those who take issue with them.

Most people were, myself included, 100% behind the AMLU, until they started ripping us so-called "amateur" umpires, calling us "Charlies" and "Smitties", and showing the contempt and disdain that they really feel toward us. Once I saw what their modus operandi was, while still feeling their pain, I became much less sympathetic to their plight.

Now I find myself rooting for the "scab Charlies" to do a half-way decent job, since the games were going to get played with or without the regular umpires.

[JRutledge]

What I find funny about this discussion is now you do not like the tone of the discussion and now you want to tell everyone how to have the conversation. If you ask me anyone that supports a scab is inflammatory in itself. I do not need specific language to find that objectionable or unacceptable. I know where I live there are guys who are not even respected at the HS level working while these games. In some cases there are guys who are not even currently umpires that are working some of these games. Now some of you here do not want to have the discussion because a word is used but you are here having the discussions anyway. If it bothers you so much, do not read the posts and find another topic to discuss. Maybe what kind of chest protector to use or whether +POS gives great service or not is more up your alley. I can tell that any discussion about serious issues is not going to be fit for your sensitive heart.

Peace

[SanDiegoSteve]

"Haha, charade you are." - Pink Floyd, Pigs, Three Different Kinds