Scab Umpires

[Rich]

Originally Posted by JIGGY

That's exactly what I am telling you. This is not a difficult play at all! There is no excuse for such a mistake. While we don't know for sure that the game was not protested, who cares? By your logic, it's ok for umpires to be incompetent because if the screw up the teams can just protest and it'll be ok. WOW, what non-sense! You want to know why an AMLU guy would get the play right? Because if they didn't (especially if they took and lost the protest) they would loose their job.

...its ok though...the scabs are doing a great job...

YEAH RIGHT...STAY TUNED...

The line drive play Froemming missed before discussion on Sunday wasn't difficult either. Don't see him losing his job or being criticized harshly over it.

A AAA-level manager doesn't know to protest a rules misapplication and it's no big deal.

And the word is lose, not "loose."

I see you can't NOT use the word scab, either. Too bad. I'd be more incliined to consider your opinions then.

[JIGGY]

Originally Posted by jwwashburn

Mr. Jiggy,

You may be right here. I, for one, find it very difficult to take an adult seriously who insists on calling people names who disagree with him. Name-calling is silly.

One who disagrees with you could call them-The guys replacing the crybabies-that would also be silly.

Try making your point without resorting to juvenile name-calling.

Joe In Michigan

Scab refers not to those who disagree with me or anyone else (many people on here disagree with me and are not Scabs). Scab refers to those who have made a choice to cross the line:

Main Entry: 1scab
Pronunciation: 'skab
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, of Scandinavian origin; akin to Old Swedish skabbr scab; akin to Old English sceabb scab, Latin scabere to scratch -- more at SHAVE
1 : scabies of domestic animals
2 : a crust of hardened blood and serum over a wound
3 a : a contemptible person b (1) : a worker who refuses to join a labor union (2) : a union member who refuses to strike or returns to work before a strike has ended (3) : a worker who accepts employment or replaces a union worker during a strike (4) : one who works for less than union wages or on nonunion terms4 : any of various bacterial or fungus diseases of plants characterized by crustaceous spots; also : one of the spots

THE SCAB--by Jack London

"After God had finished the rattlesnake, the toad, and the vampire, he had some awful substance left with which he made a scab.

A scab is a two-legged animal with a corkscrew soul, a water brain, a combination backbone of jelly and glue. Where others have hearts, he carries a tumor of rotten principles.

When a scab comes down the street, men turn their backs and angels weep in heaven, and the devil shuts the gates of hell to keep him out."

...

"Judas was a gentleman compared with a scab. For betraying his master, he had character enough to hang himself. A scab has not.

Esau sold his birthright for a mess of pottage. Judas sold his Savior for thirty pieces of silver. Benedict Arnold sold his country for a promise of a commission in the British army. The scab sells his birthright, his country, his wife, his children and his fellowmen for an unfulfilled promise from his employer.

Esau was a traitor to himself; Judas was a traitor to his God; Benedict arnold was a traitor to his country; a scab is a traitor to his God, his country, his family, and his class."

-attributed to Jack London

[BigUmp56]

Originally Posted by Rich Fronheiser

Here's a crazy idea. Why wasn't a protest filed?

Rich:

I believe the protest may have been lodged, but proved moot as the team the call went against won the game.


Tim.

[JIGGY]

Originally Posted by Rich Fronheiser

The line drive play Froemming missed before discussion on Sunday wasn't difficult either. Don't see him losing his job or being criticized harshly over it.

A AAA-level manager doesn't know to protest a rules misapplication and it's no big deal.

And the word is lose, not "loose."

I see you can't NOT use the word scab, either. Too bad. I'd be more incliined to consider your opinions then.

First off, catch/ no catch is not a rule application, it's judgment. Secondly, if you think a manager at that level doesn't know how to protest, you're crazy. They knew it was wrong, and they knew it was protestable. Let a few of those situations simmer for a while before the managers and players decide "to hell with the gag order and keeping peace!"

[Rich]

Originally Posted by JIGGY

Scab refers not to those who disagree with me or anyone else (many people on here disagree with me and are not Scabs). Scab refers to those who have made a choice to cross the line:

Main Entry: 1scab
Pronunciation: 'skab
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, of Scandinavian origin; akin to Old Swedish skabbr scab; akin to Old English sceabb scab, Latin scabere to scratch -- more at SHAVE
1 : scabies of domestic animals
2 : a crust of hardened blood and serum over a wound
3 a : a contemptible person b (1) : a worker who refuses to join a labor union (2) : a union member who refuses to strike or returns to work before a strike has ended (3) : a worker who accepts employment or replaces a union worker during a strike (4) : one who works for less than union wages or on nonunion terms4 : any of various bacterial or fungus diseases of plants characterized by crustaceous spots; also : one of the spots

THE SCAB--by Jack London

"After God had finished the rattlesnake, the toad, and the vampire, he had some awful substance left with which he made a scab.

A scab is a two-legged animal with a corkscrew soul, a water brain, a combination backbone of jelly and glue. Where others have hearts, he carries a tumor of rotten principles.

When a scab comes down the street, men turn their backs and angels weep in heaven, and the devil shuts the gates of hell to keep him out."

...

"Judas was a gentleman compared with a scab. For betraying his master, he had character enough to hang himself. A scab has not.

Esau sold his birthright for a mess of pottage. Judas sold his Savior for thirty pieces of silver. Benedict Arnold sold his country for a promise of a commission in the British army. The scab sells his birthright, his country, his wife, his children and his fellowmen for an unfulfilled promise from his employer.

Esau was a traitor to himself; Judas was a traitor to his God; Benedict arnold was a traitor to his country; a scab is a traitor to his God, his country, his family, and his class."

-attributed to Jack London

Such emotion, such drama. Such bull****. I'm overwhelmed with the desire to yawn. I'd love to keep this up, but I need to leave for my game now.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Whatever side of the isle you sit on...

I like the leeward side. Better weather.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by JIGGY

First off, catch/ no catch is not a rule application, it's judgment. Secondly, if you think a manager at that level doesn't know how to protest, you're crazy. They knew it was wrong, and they knew it was protestable. Let a few of those situations simmer for a while before the managers and players decide "to hell with the gag order and keeping peace!"

It was an easy call regardless.

Something true in life -- rats will always look for scapegoats. Umpires are easy targets when all is normal, I agree that these guys will be even easier targets eventually, and it has nothing to do with the quality of their umpiring.

[JIGGY]

Originally Posted by Rich Fronheiser

It was an easy call regardless.

Something true in life -- rats will always look for scapegoats. Umpires are easy targets when all is normal, I agree that these guys will be even easier targets eventually, and it has nothing to do with the quality of their umpiring.

They are easier and bigger targets exactly because of the quality (or lack thereof) of their umpiring.

[JayDub]

Originally Posted by JIGGY

Scab refers not to those who disagree with me or anyone else (many people on here disagree with me and are not Scabs). Scab refers to those who have made a choice to cross the line:

Main Entry: 1scab
Pronunciation: 'skab
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, of Scandinavian origin; akin to Old Swedish skabbr scab; akin to Old English sceabb scab, Latin scabere to scratch -- more at SHAVE
1 : scabies of domestic animals
2 : a crust of hardened blood and serum over a wound
3 a : a contemptible person b (1) : a worker who refuses to join a labor union (2) : a union member who refuses to strike or returns to work before a strike has ended (3) : a worker who accepts employment or replaces a union worker during a strike (4) : one who works for less than union wages or on nonunion terms4 : any of various bacterial or fungus diseases of plants characterized by crustaceous spots; also : one of the spots

THE SCAB--by Jack London

"After God had finished the rattlesnake, the toad, and the vampire, he had some awful substance left with which he made a scab.

A scab is a two-legged animal with a corkscrew soul, a water brain, a combination backbone of jelly and glue. Where others have hearts, he carries a tumor of rotten principles.

When a scab comes down the street, men turn their backs and angels weep in heaven, and the devil shuts the gates of hell to keep him out."

...

"Judas was a gentleman compared with a scab. For betraying his master, he had character enough to hang himself. A scab has not.

Esau sold his birthright for a mess of pottage. Judas sold his Savior for thirty pieces of silver. Benedict Arnold sold his country for a promise of a commission in the British army. The scab sells his birthright, his country, his wife, his children and his fellowmen for an unfulfilled promise from his employer.

Esau was a traitor to himself; Judas was a traitor to his God; Benedict arnold was a traitor to his country; a scab is a traitor to his God, his country, his family, and his class."

-attributed to Jack London

By your definition, 3-b(2) could define James Hoye, Bob Davidson, Lance Barksdale, Ed Hickox, and any other Triple A umpires who have decided to strike in the minors, but accept MLB assignments. That seems a little hypocritical to me.

The conversation would sound something like this, "I will stand beside my MiLB bretheren all the way.....hang on the phone is ringing.....good luck guys, I am headed to San Francisco!"

So much for support.

[LMan]

I knew the "new and expanded fonts/colors" was a bad idea.

...but a "ignore this poster" in Preferences would be a godsend.

[JIGGY]

Originally Posted by JayDub

By your definition, 3-b(2) could define James Hoye, Bob Davidson, Lance Barksdale, Ed Hickox, and any other Triple A umpires who have decided to strike in the minors, but accept MLB assignments. That seems a little hypocritical to me.

The conversation would sound something like this, "I will stand beside my MiLB bretheren all the way.....hang on the phone is ringing.....good luck guys, I am headed to San Francisco!"

So much for support.

AAA-->MLB fill in assignments are not within the contract with minor league baseball and have nothing to do with the AMLU. So how would working a MLB assignment have anything to do with the strike whatsoever? Not at all a part of the labor dispute.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by JIGGY

Throw the "we all make mistakes" and "an umpire is an umpire" crap out of the window. Any AMLU guy wouldn't have made that mistake because that is not that unusual of a situation and one that is covered very extensively in their professional training. It is not considered a difficult play by any stretch of the imagination at that level. That is a very very amateur mistake. Take whatever side of this situation you wish, but lets not pretend for even a second that the AMLU guys as a whole aren't leaps and bounds better than the scabs who have come to fill in for them.

Jiggy,

Your argument is illogical in nature. You claim that the reason this call was blown is because the umpires were amateurs. You claim that any AMLU guy would never make that mistake. That is illogical and is a "sweeping generalisation" or "accident" fallacy. The fact is that most amateur umpires would have gotten that call right, as well as most professionals.

Using words such as "any" or "all" or "every" results in illogical statements, and diminish the quality of one's arguments.

I have seen professional umpires kick the crap out of calls at every level, especially at the MLB level, which is supposed to be the highest level, the "cream of the crop." You are not saying that you have never blown an easy call in your entire career, are you?

[JayDub]

Originally Posted by JIGGY

AAA-->MLB fill in assignments are not within the contract with minor league baseball and have nothing to do with the AMLU. So how would working a MLB assignment have anything to do with the strike whatsoever? Not at all a part of the labor dispute.

Please refresh my memory on what qualifies an umpire to serve as a fill-in for MLB.

[socalblue1]

The AAA umpires chosen by MLB to be fill-in's ALL:

1. Have a minimum of two years AAA experience
2. MLB evaluators chose each for extended training (Spring & winter)
3. Attended MLB spring training for evaluation by MLB staff prior to assignment

The contracts for these umpires come from MLB, not MiLB. MLB has paid MiLB to hire eight additional AAA umpires so that the crews don't go short handed when guys are called up. MiLB has canceled the contract for the duration of the strike.

AMLU chose to have these umpires continue working MLB games. It was a union decision, supported by a large majority. (This info came directly from an AMLU member).

As an aside, WUA is supporting AMLU in several ways, including the letter from John Hirschbeck, retired umpires on the picket lines (Not sure if any active guys have made one YET) and I'm sure other ways.

So to answer the question, no the AAA fill-in's are not scabs by any accepted definition.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by LMan

I knew the "new and expanded fonts/colors" was a bad idea.

...but a "ignore this poster" in Preferences would be a godsend.

OH BUT IT IS AVAILABLE!!!

Ignore this poster is available in your User Control Panel. JRutledge is already built in. You just have to activate it!