Scab Umpires

[JIGGY]

Originally Posted by socalblue1

The AAA umpires chosen by MLB to be fill-in's ALL:

1. Have a minimum of two years AAA experience
2. MLB evaluators chose each for extended training (Spring & winter)
3. Attended MLB spring training for evaluation by MLB staff prior to assignment

The contracts for these umpires come from MLB, not MiLB. MLB has paid MiLB to hire eight additional AAA umpires so that the crews don't go short handed when guys are called up. MiLB has canceled the contract for the duration of the strike.

AMLU chose to have these umpires continue working MLB games. It was a union decision, supported by a large majority. (This info came directly from an AMLU member).

As an aside, WUA is supporting AMLU in several ways, including the letter from John Hirschbeck, retired umpires on the picket lines (Not sure if any active guys have made one YET) and I'm sure other ways.

So to answer the question, no the AAA fill-in's are not scabs by any accepted definition.

Couldn't have said it better!

[LMan]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

OH BUT IT IS AVAILABLE!!!

Ignore this poster is available in your User Control Panel. JRutledge is already built in. You just have to activate it!

Wow, so it is! I was quite unobservant.


Thanks.....I'm starting my list now

[jwwashburn]

Originally Posted by JIGGY

Scab refers not to those who disagree with me or anyone else (many people on here disagree with me and are not Scabs). Scab refers to those who have made a choice to cross the line:

Main Entry: 1scab

I have a dictionary, Jiggy. I already read the definition of the word 'scab'. I still say it is silly to use the word.

Crybaby is in there. Those who disagree with the AMLU could use that word-but it would be silly.

People are more likely to take you seriously if you learn to communicate without name-calling. It is truly remarkable that you cannot understand this fact.

Joe In Michigan

[JRutledge]

Individuals are not going to change the language of the people that have crossed the line just because it makes you upset. You have to be more realistic than that.

Peace

[jwwashburn]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Individuals are not going to change the language of the people that have crossed the line just because it makes you upset. You have to be more realistic than that.

Peace

Jrutledge,

I am not upset. I was giving Mr. Jiggy some advice. For some reason, many union members and supporters do not realize how many people just shut them off when they use insulting language.

They should change their language because name-calling is not an effective method of communication.

Wouldn't we be more 'peaceful' if people used civil language to communicate?

Joe In Michigan

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by jwwashburn

Jrutledge,

I am not upset. I was giving Mr. Jiggy some advice. For some reason, many union members and supporters do not realize how many people just shut them off when they use insulting language.

They should change their language because name-calling is not an effective method of communication.

Wouldn't we be more 'peaceful' if people used civil language to communicate?

Joe In Michigan

This is bigger than Jiggy. This is the term that is currently being used whether Jiggy, me or anyone else here decides to use the term. Also this is an emotional issue all the way around. I know we can get into name calling here and the issues we discuss are not even that important. This issue affects people's careers and future opportunities. The use of this term is no different than someone calling the striking umpires stupid for deciding to strike or taking a chance on their career. This conversation is not just going to all of a sudden become civil because of the use or non-use of one word.

I also want to that Jiggy did not start this thread and the person that did start this thread is not even a baseball umpire (by all accounts) and never has been a baseball umpire. If anything that should show you how emotional this issue can be.

Peace

[jwwashburn]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

This is bigger than Jiggy.

Of course.

This is the term that is currently being used whether Jiggy, me or anyone else here decides to use the term.

Of course this term is being used. That is the reason that I posted.

The use of this term is no different than someone calling the striking umpires stupid for deciding to strike or taking a chance on their career. This conversation is not just going to all of a sudden become civil because of the use or non-use of one word.

You seem to have missed my point completely. My point is that name-calling is a bad way for anyone to communicate.

Peace

Again, name-calling does not contribute to peace.

Joe In Michigan

[JRutledge]

[QUOTE=jwwashburn]Of course.

You seem to have missed my point completely. My point is that name-calling is a bad way for anyone to communicate.

I do not think I am missing any point. If you are so concerned about the use of "scab" then why have you not called out the names of people that sit on the other side of this issue and have done the same? I am just a question

Again, name-calling does not contribute to peace.

I do not disagree with you on that. I am just wondering if your expectation of "peace" is realistic on the internet of all places. This conversation is not much different here as it is in local places and the term "scab" was used many times by actual Minor League Umpires I know.

Peace

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I do not think I am missing any point. If you are so concerned about the use of "scab" then why have you not called out the names of people that sit on the other side of this issue and have done the same?

Wait a second, my bullsh*t detector just went off.

I have gone back through this, and other threads dealing with this issue, and I have not seen any posts from "the other side of this issue" that refer to the AMLU umpires in terms remotely similar to the ugly word "scab."

The worst thing I have read is the words "apprentice umpires." This is a term used by the management of MiLB, and not meant as an insult.

Please cite examples of such harsh rhetoric, any horrible names being used against the minor league umps, and I will call those individuals out.

[JRutledge]

Pick a lane and stick to it.

I thought you were ignoring my posts?

Peace

[JIGGY]

Originally Posted by jwwashburn

Jrutledge,

I am not upset. I was giving Mr. Jiggy some advice. For some reason, many union members and supporters do not realize how many people just shut them off when they use insulting language.

They should change their language because name-calling is not an effective method of communication.

Wouldn't we be more 'peaceful' if people used civil language to communicate?

Joe In Michigan

A lot of umpires don't handle things the way they should on a baseball field for fear of confrontation too. If you fight fires for a living, you're a firefighter. If you grow corn, you're a farmer. If you wait for and take the opportunity to cross the line and undercut union workers, you're a scab. Think of it this way: your name is what is given you by your parents, your title is what you do. I'm not calling names; I don't know their names, but I can address them by their title which is apparent by their actions.

[jont]

I had a good friend who was at the game in question. While the call could have been missed by professional umpires as well, the chances of such are very unlikely as the call certainly was not a difficult one according to the rules. However, under no circumstances would a professional umpire have a "15 minute argument" over the play as happened in this case! This is the worst part of the umpiring in this situation, not the missed call. If you miss a call that happens, although this particular situation is one where after getting together, the umpires should have been able to make a correct ruling. Apparently, for most of the 15 minutes manager Razor Shines was screaming at one of the umpires. This is competely unacceptable. Triple A players and managers certainly know when they should be run and apparently the umpires would not oblige Shines and run him during the argument. After the incident, the game turned into a complete farce as Shines yelled at the plate guy about every pitch before he finally ran him two innings to late. He then proceeded to shred his lineup card on the umpire treating him with all the respect he apparently deserved for his gutless handling of the situation.

[MrB]

Originally Posted by JIGGY

A lot of umpires don't handle things the way they should on a baseball field for fear of confrontation too. If you fight fires for a living, you're a firefighter. If you grow corn, you're a farmer. If you wait for and take the opportunity to cross the line and undercut union workers, you're a scab. Think of it this way: your name is what is given you by your parents, your title is what you do. I'm not calling names; I don't know their names, but I can address them by their title which is apparent by their actions.

Jiggy,

Serious question! What is your definition of undercut? Because the replacement guys are making more than the AMLU guys did. In your previous definiton of scab, I saw that number 3 stsated that they would do the same job for a lesser wage. If reports are correct, then that is not the case.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Pick a lane and stick to it.

I thought you were ignoring my posts?

Peace

Find where I said this while you are answering my original question.

I said I did not care that you do not care. I never said I would ignore your posts. That was several other posters who were considering ignoring you.

I want my question answered, since you made the ridiculous statement that people on the other side of the strike issue were calling AMLU umpires names comparable to "scab." I said that's BS. Show me the harsh names that are being attached to the minor league umpires who quit their jobs.

[socalblue1]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Find where I said this while you are answering my original question.

I said I did not care that you do not care. I never said I would ignore your posts. That was several other posters who were considering ignoring you.

I want my question answered, since you made the ridiculous statement that people on the other side of the strike issue were calling AMLU umpires names comparable to "scab." I said that's BS. Show me the harsh names that are being attached to the minor league umpires who quit their jobs.

Steve,

I recall that in one of the older threads someone tried to compare a MiLB umpire that worked HS or College games to a scab. When it was brought out that the umpire(s) in question were long time members of the respective associations and that the games had been scheduled well before the strike, the issue was dropped.

Since SOMEONE is going to ask, the AMLU stance is that members will work HS or college games only when no qualified umpire is available to the association. IE: they are not out there taking games away while asking us not to do MiLB games.