Teddy Valentine(edited)

[blindzebra]

Originally Posted by deecee

I went to a men's D1 college camp in SoCal where an official made a call and went to report it. The HC went off on my partner. He got T #1 and waited at the table as the HC continued his rant. I thought maybe I should go help, but one of the clinicians close to me told me to stay in my spot and that my partner is a grown man and can/should handle this himself. The coach complained for about 20-30 seconds, got his second T and went off.

At the first stoppage of play the clinicians commended my partner for the job he did. Once a coach starts a tirade and is given a T, the message was, we don't run and let them continue. We let them have their say and we can determine if they get a second or not.

I wish this was drilled into HS officials, instead we are taught the complete opposite and T's have such a bad rep around them like it's the official's fault for handing one out.

I could not disagree more with that. Turning professionally to attend to the penalty and the coach following you is not running.

Standing there and then whacking gives the appearance of baiting. Actually it is more than appearance it is baiting.

[Rich]

From Seth Davis:

After the game, Valentine called the AAC’s supervisor of officials and acknowledged that he should not have stepped toward Cronin in such an aggressive manner. “I was just totally wrong. I was out of place by walking into his space,” Valentine told me by phone on Sunday. “It was just one of those situations where I got caught up in the moment. I was out of bounds because I walked into his domain. That’s why I didn’t give him a technical because I knew I was wrong, and two wrongs don’t make a right. If it had been 15, 16 years ago, I never would have caught myself like that.”

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Rich

From Seth Davis:

After the game, Valentine called the AAC’s supervisor of officials and acknowledged that he should not have stepped toward Cronin in such an aggressive manner. “I was just totally wrong. I was out of place by walking into his space,” Valentine told me by phone on Sunday. “It was just one of those situations where I got caught up in the moment. I was out of bounds because I walked into his domain. That’s why I didn’t give him a technical because I knew I was wrong, and two wrongs don’t make a right. If it had been 15, 16 years ago, I never would have caught myself like that.”

My respect for him just went through the roof. He's a better man than I am.

[HawkeyeCubP]

In my opinion, in the moment, that was a case of "I'M ALLOWED TO GET IN YOUR FACE AND SCREAM AT YOU! YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO GET BACK IN MINE!" And the video shows Cronin's face as soon as TV steps back toward him - the look on it is one of complete incredulousness. He is absolutely astounded that the official would come back in any kind of aggressive/defensive manner - and it takes him completely by surprise - and looks as though he's actually hurt by the gesture.

And it's total crap. And it's never going to change at that level, despite what some talking heads are saying (Bilas's fairly reasoned and poignant piece about it, for example), because it's "their" game.

I'm not suggesting that basketball officials - head coaches interactions should look and sound like baseball managers and umpires. I'm just saying it's a double standard. What those HC's get away with saying on a weekly basis to college officials during games is completely ridiculous. I don't care if they're the highest paid state employee or otherwise.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Rich

From Seth Davis:

After the game, Valentine called the AAC’s supervisor of officials and acknowledged that he should not have stepped toward Cronin in such an aggressive manner. “I was just totally wrong. I was out of place by walking into his space,” Valentine told me by phone on Sunday. “It was just one of those situations where I got caught up in the moment. I was out of bounds because I walked into his domain. That’s why I didn’t give him a technical because I knew I was wrong, and two wrongs don’t make a right. If it had been 15, 16 years ago, I never would have caught myself like that.”

And now the silence begins.

At least TV knows when he made a mistake. +1 to him. I have far more respect for a person who can make a mistake and admit it than someone who tries to twist what happened to come to an unsupportable conclusion.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by blindzebra

I could not disagree more with that. Turning professionally to attend to the penalty and the coach following you is not running.

Standing there and then whacking gives the appearance of baiting. Actually it is more than appearance it is baiting.

Actually quite the opposite. It puts the onus on the coach, after receiving his T, to turn around and end the yapping instead of continuing down the path that he/she is on.

Turning your back in this case is just dismissive. The coach hasn't ended his tirade and the message sent is that I give my T and run away so someone else can deal with the rest. I have partner/s that can get the players ready for the T. Baiting is egging him on. Standing and listening is standing and listening.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by deecee

Actually quite the opposite. It puts the onus on the coach, after receiving his T, to turn around and end the yapping instead of continuing down the path that he/she is on.

Turning your back in this case is just dismissive. The coach hasn't ended his tirade and the message sent is that I give my T and run away so someone else can deal with the rest. I have partner/s that can get the players ready for the T. Baiting is egging him on. Standing and listening is standing and listening.

Maybe in a world where body language was meaningless....

[OKREF]

Just my opinion on this.

If the coach steps up to me in that manner, I'm almost guaranteeing a technical is coming. So, why should we as officials be allowed to approach a coach in that manner? I think TV was wrong, and in fact Cronin is right, I doubt he would ever to it to Coach K, or Boeheim.