Teddy Valentine(edited)

[Camron Rust]

I love some of the revisionist representations of what happened here in the effort to defend TV. Why the insistence on defending him when what he did was so obviously out of line. Being a big dog doesn't give him the right to do what he wants.

All you have to do is look at the video. Cronin objected to the call with a reaction that was certainly suspect or even T-worthy, no question. If you're going to call the T there fine. Rather than penalize that or defuse the situation, TV steps right in front of him in his face, says something (who knows what), then Cronin's reaction is 10x what it was before. It is all on video if anyone cares to look.

If a player/coach got in someones face with the same stance, causes such a reaction, we'd all be taking action against that player/coach...probably even tossing them.

I have no beef with TV and generally respect his game, but he was wrong on this one.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I love some of the revisionist representations of what happened here in the effort to defend TV. Why the insistence on defending him when what he did was so obviously out of line. Being a big dog doesn't give him the right to do what he wants. .

What did he do that was obviously out of line? He stepped to a person yelling at him. Sorry, but I do not believe that officials are to act like they are children and only speak kindly to adults yelling at them. I feel that he is a man and if you want to yell and point at him, he has a right to step to you. I would be mad too if a I was short and a bigger guy stepped to me too.

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

All you have to do is look at the video. Cronin objected to the call with a reaction that was certainly suspect or even T-worthy, no question. If you're going to call the T there fine. Rather than penalize that or defuse the situation, TV jumps in his face, says something (who knows what), then Cronin's reaction is 10x what it was before. It is all on video if anyone cares to look.

I have no beef with TV and generally respect his game, but he was wrong on this one.

And like other things, people have the right to disagree.

Peace

[deecee]

Camron I disagree with you here. What's wrong with after having to hear complaining and whining, game in and game out and coaches saying some pretty crappy stuff about once in a while giving some back?

He didn't T him up after that so who cares. If he were to have acted that way and then issued a T I would say, "shame on him". But why is the expectation that we are to act as robots all time ok and reasonable?

[just another ref]

It takes two to make an argument. I see no point in contributing to an argument that I have the authority to end.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I love some of the revisionist representations of what happened here in the effort to defend TV. Why the insistence on defending him when what he did was so obviously out of line. Being a big dog doesn't give him the right to do what he wants.

All you have to do is look at the video. Cronin objected to the call with a reaction that was certainly suspect or even T-worthy, no question. If you're going to call the T there fine. Rather than penalize that or defuse the situation, TV steps right in front of him in his face, says something (who knows what), then Cronin's reaction is 10x what it was before. It is all on video if anyone cares to look.

If a player/coach got in someones face with the same stance, causes such a reaction, we'd all be taking action against that player/coach...probably even tossing them.

I have no beef with TV and generally respect his game, but he was wrong on this one.

Agreed.

The whole notion that we can throw tantrums like the coaches do, or that it is OK for us to charge at and "get in the face of" a coach, is ridiculous. We are - and should be - held to a different standard than any other participants in the game. If a coach or player crosses the line, handle it in a professional way. If the coach goes personal, handle it in a professional way. Valentine is one of the best officials in the country, but this was out of line.

[JRutledge]

Tantrums are when people raise their voice, flailing their arms and continue with that actions. Stop it already. If you do not like someone stepping to you, that is fine, but let us not exaggerate. And if you just act like you cannot say anything, in my parts they will run over you. Sometimes they need to know you are right here. Teddy did not even appear to be mad, except for the stereotype that certain people cannot stand up for themselves without being threatening. And we know no one ever thinks of it that way.

Peace

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Tantrums are when people raise their voice, flailing their arms and continue with that actions. Stop it already. If you do not like someone stepping to you, that is fine, but let us not exaggerate. And if you just act like you cannot say anything, in my parts they will run over you. Sometimes they need to know you are right here. Teddy did not even appear to be mad, except for the stereotype that certain people cannot stand up for themselves without being threatening. And we know no one ever thinks of it that way.

Peace

First of all, I was responding to deecee's comments about tantrums. I never said Valentine threw a tantrum. Never even thought that. So maybe you need to stop telling people to stop exaggerating when they aren't exaggerating in the first place.

Secondly, what the hell are you talking about stereotypes for?

And lastly, Valentine has come out and said he was wrong for responding in the way he did. So I guess those of us who thought he was wrong in the first place are on the same page as him.

[frezer11]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I love some of the revisionist representations of what happened here in the effort to defend TV. Why the insistence on defending him when what he did was so obviously out of line. Being a big dog doesn't give him the right to do what he wants.

All you have to do is look at the video. Cronin objected to the call with a reaction that was certainly suspect or even T-worthy, no question. If you're going to call the T there fine. Rather than penalize that or defuse the situation, TV steps right in front of him in his face, says something (who knows what), then Cronin's reaction is 10x what it was before. It is all on video if anyone cares to look.

If a player/coach got in someones face with the same stance, causes such a reaction, we'd all be taking action against that player/coach...probably even tossing them.

I have no beef with TV and generally respect his game, but he was wrong on this one.

Man, I think you nailed it 100% with this comment. Sure we'd all like to react this way every now and again, but that doesn't make it acceptable. I teach high school, and sure I'd like to slap a couple of these smartasses upside the head...

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Being a big dog doesn't give him the right to do what he wants.

Uh, that's the definition of a big dog.

[Raymond]

I still don't have a problem with what he did. His one mistake will have a lasting effect on Cronin's behavior towards officials.

[onetime1]

I have no problem with TV actions. I have always thought why do coaches get to act like idiots with officials just standing there to take it. Cronin is a wimpy wimp that is why Teddy needed to let him smell a little of what the Rock was cookin!