Buddy calls with rules question

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by truerookie

I would have told him the following: There is no team control on a throw-in Feds. So, since there was a double foul while the ball was NOT in either team control (still in the air). There is no choice but go to the arrow. Rules 6-3g; 4-36-2c will support.

Completely wrong. Rule 4-36-2(b) is the applicable rule. The double foul happened DURING a throw-in. Rule 4-36-2(c) says that no "infraction" is involved. A double foul is a rules infraction.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Rule 4-36-2(b) is the applicable rule. The double foul happened DURING a throw-in. Rule 4-36-2(c) says that no "infraction" is involved. A double foul is a rules infraction.

Jurassic is correct. Seems like many of us aren't really understanding the POI rule yet. That's not intended to be a slam on anybody on this forum, it just means that it isn't being taught well.

[truerookie]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Completely wrong. Rule 4-36-2(b) is the applicable rule. The double foul happened DURING a throw-in. Rule 4-36-2(c) says that no "infraction" is involved. A double foul is a rules infraction.

6-3g is applicable too!

[rgncjn]

It is my interpretation that the double foul was the interruption to the play. I would give the ball back to Team A for a subsequent throw-in.

I had this situation in a game last year; unfortunately, I cannot remember exactly how we handled it. I remember discussing with my partners, but do not recall the conclusion.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by truerookie

6-3g is applicable too!

That's twice you've referenced "6-3g" and I can't find it in the book.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

That's twice you've referenced "6-3g" and I can't find it in the book.

Metric equivalent?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by truerookie

6-3g is applicable too!

If you are referencing rule 6-4-3(g), please note that the term "infraction" is stated in that rule also. Again, a double foul is an infraction of the rules. That is why neither 6-4-3(g) or 4-38-2(c) are applicable.

Wrong interpretation, rook.

[truerookie]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

If you are referencing rule 6-4-3(g), please note that the term "infraction" is stated in that rule also. Again, a double foul is an infraction of the rules. That is why neither 6-4-3(g) or 4-38-2(c) are applicable.

Wrong interpretation, rook.

Wrong interpretation or wrong rule referenced? I believe I referenced the wrong rule for the situation. I'm really trying to give rule support with my answers. If along the way, I make mistakes I can live with that. I'm only going to get better.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by truerookie

Wrong interpretation or wrong rule referenced? I believe I referenced the wrong rule for the situation.

6-4-3(g) is the rule rule you're referencing, and the rule you're mis-interpreting. It indeed does reference using the AP for all double foul situations where there is no team control, however, as JR has pointed out, you left out the important part of that rule: "when no infraction is involved". If you read the definition of POI, in 4-36-2(b) it states POI is "A free throw or throw-in if the stoppage occured during this activity".

So, yes, there is no team control during a throw-in, but the POI goes back to the throw-in after the double foul, since the throw-in was not yet completed. Follow?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by truerookie

Wrong interpretation or wrong rule referenced?

If you're referencing rule 6-4-3(g), then your interpretation is wrong. It's wrong for the exact same reason that 4-36-2(c) isn't applicable. Iow, what M&M said.

[truerookie]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

6-4-3(g) is the rule rule you're referencing, and the rule you're mis-interpreting. It indeed does reference using the AP for all double foul situations where there is no team control, however, as JR has pointed out, you left out the important part of that rule: "when no infraction is involved". If you read the definition of POI, in 4-36-2(b) it states POI is "A free throw or throw-in if the stoppage occured during this activity".

So, yes, there is no team control during a throw-in, but the POI goes back to the throw-in after the double foul, since the throw-in was not yet completed. Follow?

Ok, I understand since the throw-in was not completed and no team control and there was an infraction(s) the double fouls. POI will be the throw-in again entitled to Team A. Makes sense thanks.