Buddy calls with rules question
 

A buddy called me this morning about a call he had in a kids game last night. NF rules. After a violation by team B, A1 to inbound on the side. While the inbound pass is in the air, A2 and B2 foul each other for a double foul. The AP arrow is with team B. Should they give the ball to team B for an AP throw-in or use POI and give it back to team A even though there is no team control during a throw-in?

His point was that if they used the AP arrow, it seemed like they were penalizing team A for a foul that was equally caused by both teams.

What would you have told him?

The POI is the throw-in, as it hadn't yet ended. Therefore, I'm giving the ball back to A to inbound due to the original violation.

I'm probably wrong, but without any references right off hand, I would have told him the throw-in doesn't end until the ball is touched inbounds. The fouls were committed before the throw-in had ended.

Like I said, I'm probably wrong but oh well.

*Darn it, he beat me by a minute.

Sounds like the throw-in hadn't ended. Therefore, I think you've got to go AP.

Why does team control matter on a double foul?

It matters for POI situations.

What about the definition of POI?

(More specifically, 4-36-2(b)?)

:(

See post #7 by M&M.

Yeah.........

Ok, tell me there's an elephant in the living room - what am I missing?

Would your opinion be different if the thrower hadn't released the ball yet?

No team control though
 

First, a throw in ends the ball is legally touched, a foul or violation occurs, or the ball becomes dead. The throw in ended with the foul. Since neither team had control, go with the AP.

Reference, please. and be sure to include 4-42-5 (2006 reference) in the response.

Holy cow... massive elephant in the living room that I completely missed.

Ok, got ya now.

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I would have told him the following: There is no team control on a throw-in Feds. So, since there was a double foul while the ball was NOT in either team control (still in the air). There is no choice but go to the arrow. Rules 6-3g; 4-36-2c will support.