Screen question with video

[SeanFitzRef]

You all must not be watching the same video....

The defender has a step and a half (slide steps, so she wasn't going that fast) prior to contact, screener is set, defender had ample time to stop or adjust. The ball handler set the defender up properly, the screener was set prior to contact, and contact wasn't initiated by the screener. It was close enough that I would have no called the play, but the screener was fine, IMO.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by SeanFitzRef

You all must not be watching the same video....

I agree. You're watching a different video.

[OHBBREF]

Originally Posted by SeanFitzRef

You all must not be watching the same video....

That is for sure because that clearly isn't what happened .

I think if you expand the screen you will see that the screeners feet land on the ground from her jump while the defender is moving. therefore the derfender did not have the opportunity to avoid contact per the rule cite above which clearly makes this an illegal screen.

Run at full speed it looks even more blatant because you can't tell if the sccreener is even on the floor.

[JoeTheRef]

Originally Posted by SeanFitzRef

You all must not be watching the same video....

The defender has a step and a half (slide steps, so she wasn't going that fast) prior to contact, screener is set, defender had ample time to stop or adjust. The ball handler set the defender up properly, the screener was set prior to contact, and contact wasn't initiated by the screener. It was close enough that I would have no called the play, but the screener was fine, IMO.

You're absolutely 100% correct....... We must be watching 2 different videos. I stand on my previous comment to the OP and agree with the above post by (OHBREF???)..

[jjonahj]

Originally Posted by CoachP

Not sure if this video link thingy will work. If it does, I need your input. This is where I get confused on blind screens. (#40 is my player...)
Illegal screen or foul on my player?

screened.wmv

If the link don't work...oh well, I'll try something else.

The link worked just fine.........Good Screen

[OHBBREF]

Originally Posted by jjonahj

The link worked just fine.........Good Screen

the link did your mind isn't
look up the rule on contact redarding screens again read it all the way through then come back and look at the video
the screener doesn' give the defender a chance to avoid contact when setting the screen Time and distance are not specified in art 3 section c they are based on the speed of the play period.
and there is no way that this defender could have avoided contact on this screen.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by OHBBREF

look up the rule on contact redarding screens again read it all the way through then come back and look at the video
the screener doesn' give the defender a chance to avoid contact when setting the screen Time and distance are not specified in art 3 section c they are based on the speed of the play period.

I think that you need to look up the rule. You don't seem to understand it. The call is not based on the speed of the play only. It doesn't matter what speed the player being screened is moving at if the screener gives that player 2 normal steps. That IS a legal screen.

NFHS rule 10-6-3(c)-- "The speed of the player to be screened will determine where the screener may take his/her stationary position. The position will vary and may be one to two normal steps or strides from the opponent."

Also see NFHS case book play 10.6.3SitD. That's time and distance.

[SamIAm]

CoachP, why don't you coach your girls properly. Whoever is guarding 14 gold should be out there to pick-up 30 after the screen.
22 gold looks wide open on the block, who is not coaching post play defense? Not to mention 20 gold looks wide open trailing the play.

[CoachP]

Originally Posted by SamIAm

CoachP, why don't you coach your girls properly. Whoever is guarding 14 gold should be out there to pick-up 30 after the screen.
22 gold looks wide open on the block, who is not coaching post play defense? Not to mention 20 gold looks wide open trailing the play.

Sam.....Touche'

It was an OOB play and 14 was the inbounder. We play M2M, but on OOB under the basket, we zone, w/o guarding the inbounder. 14 gold lobbed to past the 3 point arc to 30 gold.

#40 our "big man freshman" was under the basket to start off and saw the lob and tried to steal. When gold got possesion, she was stuck guarding the ball. Blue #12 ( a senior who did NOT call out the screen) was then saddled with #22 gold.

We sent gold to the line 38 times that game...homer refs....

[SeanFitzRef]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

.....NFHS rule 10-6-3(c)-- "The speed of the player to be screened will determine where the screener may take his/her stationary position. The position will vary and may be one to two normal steps or strides from the opponent."

Also see NFHS case book play 10.6.3SitD. That's time and distance.

I thought it was just me. Everyone was talking like the defender was running full speed, and the screener cross body blocked her. The screener came down and planted in enough time, didn't throw a shoulder or forearm, and allowed the defender to run into her. The screener did what a screener is supposed to do.

My coaching point for the day is: 'Had the defender's teammate informed her of the screen she could have avoided it.'

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by SeanFitzRef

My coaching point for the day is: 'Had the defender's teammate informed her of the screen she could have avoided it.'

My officiating point for this post is 'Had the defender's teammate informed her of the screen once the screener was stationary, she could not have avoided it.'

The screener has to be stationary and give the defender time to avoid the screen. That didn't happen. If a teammate had told her that there was a screener moving with her, then she could've avoided it. But the screener has to stop AND then give the defender that step.