Screen question with video

[CoachP]

Not sure if this video link thingy will work. If it does, I need your input. This is where I get confused on blind screens. (#40 is my player...)
Illegal screen or foul on my player?

screened.wmv

If the link don't work...oh well, I'll try something else.

[tjones1]

Link didn't work for me. Try re-posting the link.

[RookieDude]

I don't officiate girls games(so my opinion might not be consistent with what is or is not called) even though the rules are the same...but, in a boys NFHS game I got a "no call".

Now the depth may be different in "real life"...but, from what I can see on the video...probably a good no call.

[reffish]

First look at the play, I like illegal screen. The screener did not give the player enought time and distance to adjust to screen set out of sight. On more looks, I stick with my call. First look and angle of play, illegal screen.

[Teigan]

I think its an illegal screen.

[TRef21]

I have illegal screen. The Screener did not allow a normal step will setting the back screen.

[tjones1]

How did you get the link to work?

[CoachP]

Thanks for the input so far. The official said she had plenty of time to avoid the screen and called a foul on blue.

I argued it was a blind screen from behind and she only had one step.

But, we now have the advantage of slo-mo.....

I didn't do anything tjones, somehow it's just not working for you?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by CoachP

Thanks for the input so far. The official said she had plenty of time to avoid the screen and called a foul on blue.

I argued it was a blind screen from behind and she only had one step.

How many steps does she need?

[JoeTheRef]

Originally Posted by CoachP

Thanks for the input so far. The official said she had plenty of time to avoid the screen and called a foul on blue.

I argued it was a blind screen from behind and she only had one step.

But, we now have the advantage of slo-mo.....

I didn't do anything tjones, somehow it's just not working for you?

I don't even think she had a step. Either way, I wouldn't make the call on blue, and if I made a call we would be going the other way.

[Ref in PA]

I also have a no call in my game. While there was a bump, the girl did not try to fight through it. While the screener did get her feet down and was not moving when the contact occurred, the way she hopped into that position at the last moment would lead me to call an illegal screen, if I called anything.

Just my opinion.

[deecee]

no call here

i thought the rule regarding 1 step was for blind screens away from the ball. i didnt think time or distance was necessary for on ball screens? i probably am wrong.

[OHBBREF]

This is an Illegal screen all the way!

Originally Posted by deecee

i thought the rule regarding 1 step was for blind screens away from the ball. i didnt think time or distance was necessary for on ball screens?

This is the definition of a blind screen - the screener came from outside the periferal vision of the moving defender and jumped into place while the defender was moving toward her. the contact looks to occur as the defender is putting her foot back on the floor from her step, and the screener takes a dive. see the referenced rule below. there is more than just the one step guidline in the rule.


fouls and penalties
Section 6 Contact Art 3
a player who screens shall not -
c. take a position so close to a moving opponent that this opponent cannot aviod contact by stopping or changing direction. The speed of the player to be screened will determine the posisition ... etc.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by deecee

no call here

i thought the rule regarding 1 step was for blind screens away from the ball. i didnt think time or distance was necessary for on ball screens? i probably am wrong.

You are incorrect. time and distance are always required unless the player being screened has the ball. And I doubt that is the case....that would be guarding, not screening.

[Scrapper1]

Seems pretty clear to me that the screener did not give the defender a step to avoid the contact. We're going "that way".