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Old Fri Oct 08, 2004, 09:12pm
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I am confused about illegal screens. Is it possible to have a Violation and not a foul when calling an illegal screen?
Example; Setting a pick to the rear of a defensive player (Blind Screen) and not allowing room for the defender to take on normal step back. Or setting a screen and then sliding sideways to further blaock the defender. Are these violations?
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Setting a screen and as the defender runs by, throwing out an elbow to stop or slow him down, which would be a foul, not an illegal screen. Correct?
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Old Fri Oct 08, 2004, 09:24pm
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Your first paragraph gives examples of what could be called illegal screens (BLOCK!)

The second paragraph is an example of a foul. (illegal hands, or hold, or perhaps intentional foul; your choice )

what most coaches/players want to call an illegal screen is two offensive players running side by side... "That's nothing coach!"
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Old Fri Oct 08, 2004, 09:46pm
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The answer to your question is NO. there is no violation. On a moving screen it is a definite foul - I would prefer to call these fouls as "holds". The blind screen is a "block". As DDTB said the elbow could be called a number of things including intentional or flagrant
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Old Fri Oct 08, 2004, 09:59pm
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I am confused about illegal screens. Is it possible to have a Violation and not a foul when calling an illegal screen?
Example; Setting a pick to the rear of a defensive player (Blind Screen) and not allowing room for the defender to take on normal step back. Or setting a screen and then sliding sideways to further blaock the defender. Are these violations?
vs.
Setting a screen and as the defender runs by, throwing out an elbow to stop or slow him down, which would be a foul, not an illegal screen. Correct?
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Given enough contact, a foul may be called.
Absent contact, eventhough the defender may have had to adjust normal guarding action to avoid the contact, there is no foul or violation
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Old Sat Oct 09, 2004, 09:40pm
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And, to be perfectly clear...

Screening is never a violation. It is either a foul (as has been well covered already), or it is nothing.
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Old Mon Oct 11, 2004, 09:35am
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Ok..I think I understand the screening rules pretty well, but what restrictions are there on the screened player? For example, A1 sets a screen on moving defender B1. A1 is stationary, and gives B1 2 strides. B1 contacts A1 in a horrendous crash. Is this a foul on B1? Is this always a foul if the screened player makes any type contact with the screener, or does it have to be fairly violent??
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Old Mon Oct 11, 2004, 09:45am
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Ok..I think I understand the screening rules pretty well, but what restrictions are there on the screened player? For example, A1 sets a screen on moving defender B1. A1 is stationary, and gives B1 2 strides. B1 contacts A1 in a horrendous crash. Is this a foul on B1? Is this always a foul if the screened player makes any type contact with the screener, or does it have to be fairly violent??
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The screened player must make an *attempt to avoid* screener.
(ie, The screened player may not push through, pull through, grab through, hack through the screen.)

If an "attempt to avoid is made", I will not generally call illegal contact unless there is that "horrendous crash".
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Old Mon Oct 11, 2004, 10:20am
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Ok..I think I understand the screening rules pretty well, but what restrictions are there on the screened player? For example, A1 sets a screen on moving defender B1. A1 is stationary, and gives B1 2 strides. B1 contacts A1 in a horrendous crash. Is this a foul on B1? Is this always a foul if the screened player makes any type contact with the screener, or does it have to be fairly violent??
In addition to what Mick said, if A1 is setting a blind screen, then you can have fairly violent contact that's not illegal.
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