NFHS 5 second inbound count starting

[jTheUmp]

"at the disposal of the thrower" after a made basket is entirely up to the judgement of the official. That's why we make the big bucks.

You'll never find a book interpretation of exactly how long that takes, because it can vary greatly... a if it goes through the hoop and is caught by a member of Team B, it's at their disposal within a second or so. If the ball takes a weird bounce or inadvertently caroms off a foot/knee/whatever, it's going to take a few seconds for the ball to be at Team B's disposal.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by jTheUmp

"at the disposal of the thrower" after a made basket is entirely up to the judgement of the official. That's why we make the big bucks.

Generally -- when the team has the ball OOB and is facing the court -- or could reasonably be expected to do so.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

... when the team has the ball OOB and is facing the court, or could reasonably be expected to do so.

That's when I'm starting my five second count, and ignoring any requests by the scoring team for a timeout. If the NFHS wants to tell me I'm wrong, then I don't want to be right (with apologies to Luther Ingram).

[rjfxvii]

So, had a game this season with this same situation, with the only difference being the scoring team (the one with no timeouts) knocking the ball well out of the way in an attempt to prompt the delay of game warning--which stops the clock, because there was no other way they were going to be able to stop it. Do you go ahead and grant the delay of game warning, knowing that it's a gamesmanship situation, or do you ignore the violation because it's (in essence) rewarding them for their illegal act?

[jTheUmp]

Originally Posted by rjfxvii

So, had a game this season with this same situation, with the only difference being the scoring team (the one with no timeouts) knocking the ball well out of the way in an attempt to prompt the delay of game warning--which stops the clock, because there was no other way they were going to be able to stop it. Do you go ahead and grant the delay of game warning, knowing that it's a gamesmanship situation, or do you ignore the violation because it's (in essence) rewarding them for their illegal act?

Check out casebook 9.2.10.A... specifically, the comment following that case play.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by rjfxvii

So, had a game this season with this same situation, with the only difference being the scoring team (the one with no timeouts) knocking the ball well out of the way in an attempt to prompt the delay of game warning--which stops the clock, because there was no other way they were going to be able to stop it. Do you go ahead and grant the delay of game warning, knowing that it's a gamesmanship situation, or do you ignore the violation because it's (in essence) rewarding them for their illegal act?

How much time was remaining when the ball went through the basket?

If more than 5 seconds, administer as normal.

If 5 seconds or less, then no. If the new offensive team is actually trying to do the throw-in, then you call a technical foul. If the new offensive team is not trying to complete the throw-in, then you ignore the infraction and let the clock run.

The case play spells it out.

[Kelvin green]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Generally -- when the team has the ball OOB and is facing the court -- or could reasonably be expected to do so.

I will slightly disagree. While this is probably the way we do it in practice most of the time...there are times I dont. I have seen way too many teams take too much time getting the ball, going OOB, and facing the Court, to avoid a press or take time to figure out the press... (or letting the ball bounce determining who is going to make a throw in while there is a press).

What do you do if its the team who was just scored on hit the ball and has to track it down? Do you call them for a delay of game warning? Or do you just start the 5 second count?

If they were trying to get it to another player OOB for the throw-in and their toss went errant. The ball was available when the player secured the ball? Do they get extra time because he couldn't get it to the inbound thrower correctly?

Clearly the intent of the rules is for the offense to make a prompt throw-in, not be able to run time unreasonably, give a fair playing field to those who want to press...

Not sure when the best time to start it but it may not be OOB facing the floor...

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Kelvin green

Not sure when the best time to start it but it may not be OOB facing the floor...

That's why I added "or could reasonably be expected to do so" -- and all of your examples fit under that umbrella.

[Rich]

Personally, I think the new lead at halfcourt should just call a 5-second violation.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by rich

personally, i think the new lead at halfcourt should just call a 5-second violation.

lol!

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Rich

Personally, I think the new lead at halfcourt should just call a 5-second violation.

That would make a hell of a video.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Adam

That would make a hell of a video.

Someone might have to post it once, twice, or 384 times.