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I do not have a foul on the shot. I have a blocked shot that might have some incidental contact after the ball was contacted. That is not a foul to me and the lead has a great look at it. I have no problem with his angle on the play at all. He is receiving the play as we teach officials to do. He has the best overall angle. The camera angle does not totally help either way if you ask me.
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I noticed the rotation after the shot and in trying to transition from C to new L I took a step too far back and ran into the media table and temporarily lost my balance. Quote:
As far as putting time back on the clock. I asked my partners and one said very definitively that he had 0.3. Knowing the situation and also knowing I was a little late on my whistle after the ball bounced out I should have gone at least 0.4. Quote:
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I would not feel as bad if we had not called way more fouls than I would have liked in the game and shot 54 FTs. If you get a chance, JRut I'd like to see the other video link I shared posted as well. Its a different camera angle and also captures what happened after we put time back on the clock. |
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I'm slightly OCD but I'm watching video again and the defender definitely gets ball first.
I'm not sure its a foul. Agree with Nevada that biggest takeaway is the clock. I should have said 0.5. They scored and we had to wipe it. |
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If they get the ball and the ball comes loose, I'm probably passing on any subsequent contact on the arm unless I think it prevents the shooter from retrieving the ball (but that wouldn't be a shooting foul). However, if they get the ball first and slip off onto the arm as the shooter continues to power through, I'm calling that foul. I think that is what happens here. She does appear to be on the ball at first, but the shooter maintains control and the defender's hand slips off the ball onto the right arm as the shooter adjusts and trys to still make the shot. I think this has to be a foul as the contact on the arm is what prevented the shot, not the contact on the ball.
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I'm with JRut and no-calling this, VaTerp. Not that it makes you feel any better.
I watched the play about 10 times and I'm just not seeing it. I'm seeing that it's a mess and I'm seeing that her arms aren't vertical and I'm seeing that it's the type of "bad optics" play that fans and coaches will say is a foul all day, but that's why they're not out there officiating a state final. You are. I'm certainly not interested in the opinion of people in the stands who have a worse look than the C and are even farther away, regardless of how powerful they may be. I also understand that you have to be. But yes, you could have easily called a foul and nobody would have said a word, not even the opposing coach. Just because it didn't "look" clean. But you stuck to your guns because how it looks and how it IS are very often not the same thing. We've all been there, kicking ourselves after a huge moment. But hey, you reffed a state final. You're doing more than a few things right! |
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After the game and talking to other officials there I was convinced there should have been a foul. And after initially watching the video I agreed. However, after watching several more times I'm comfortable with my positioning and my judgement even if there were some takeaways to learn from. As the guy who tossed the ball that night, I do believe that the game needed a foul at that time based on what had been called all night. So I do wish I'd had a whistle or that the C had worked to get a better angle to bail me out. But again, I'm comfortable with why I didnt have a call. What is bothering me NOW is the clock. I took the first info I got from one partner, asked the other who didnt have anything to offer and just went with it. I should have taken more time, brought everyone's temperature down a bit and made a better decision that resulted in more time being restored. Lessons learned and if I'm fortunate enough to be in a similar position in the future, hopefully I'm a better official for it. Thanks for all the feedback. |
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After all that I though it was a clear foul from the video.
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Did they have PTS for the finals? We didn't have any for the Semi's this year; last year's Semi's we had packs. (I worked my Semi at the Siegel Center this season).
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