Jose Offerman punches Ump

[umpref]

Originally Posted by Ump153

Wow. What video were you watching? DJ got between his partner and the manager as is supposed to. You can even see him trying to "shoo" away his partner. Jose was the agressive party, not DJ




I suppose that works in Midvale. I'll be sure to recommend it to DJ next time I see him.

Well, I cannot comment about what works in Midvale. I DO however have a rather extensive background with arguing, both the way you see it done in this video, and the way I do it now. I can say with complete certainty that the way I do it now SETTLES DOWN the confrontation and avoids ejections. The way I used to handle it (like in the video) led to a lot of crapstorms (just like in the video).

I could care less if he handled it the way they are taught. They way they are taught doesn't seem to work so well eh?

[Ump153]

Originally Posted by umpref

Well, I cannot comment about what works in Midvale. I DO however have a rather extensive background with arguing, both the way you see it done in this video, and the way I do it now. I can say with complete certainty that the way I do it now SETTLES DOWN the confrontation and avoids ejections. The way I used to handle it (like in the video) led to a lot of crapstorms (just like in the video).

Oh, God. Another one of those. Got your gi on?

Yes I can see just from this exchange how superior your technique is. Already I've stopped thinking of you as the complete fool you are.

Wow, you're right. You've difused everything.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Oops. Sorry, Sensei.

[umpref]

Originally Posted by Ump153

Oh, God. Another one of those. Got your gi on?

Yes I can see just from this exchange how superior your technique is. Already I've stopped thinking of you as the complete fool you are.

Wow, you're right. You've difused everything.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Oops. Sorry, Sensei.

So there IS hope for you!

[KJUmp]

Originally Posted by umpref

Well, I cannot comment about what works in Midvale. I DO however have a rather extensive background with arguing, both the way you see it done in this video, and the way I do it now. I can say with complete certainty that the way I do it now SETTLES DOWN the confrontation and avoids ejections. The way I used to handle it (like in the video) led to a lot of crapstorms (just like in the video).

I could care less if he handled it the way they are taught. They way they are taught doesn't seem to work so well eh?

OK...I'll repeat this once again to all of the "experts" who know just how they would handle themselves on the field when the s**t hits the fan in the Dominican.....you have no idea what has transpired over the length of the entire 50 game regular season or the 18 games in the round robin playoff format. D.J. did what he had to do, he did it when it needed to be done, in the manner he felt he needed to do it, and without hesitation. Also, keep this in mind, there was only one umpire who was going to have Bradley's back...and it wasn't any of the four "locals" who were on the crew.
Umpref....if you think your...."here's what I got coach" patter was going to work with Offerman....well you've been drinking too much of that Midvale Kool-Aid.

[Steven Tyler]

The American umpires have quit. Not sure how that will translate since this is the playoffs and how many are left in the umpire pool.

Time to take a break anyway. A long season awaits.

[Kevin Finnerty]

Originally Posted by umpref

Well, I cannot comment about what works in Midvale. I DO however have a rather extensive background with arguing, both the way you see it done in this video, and the way I do it now. I can say with complete certainty that the way I do it now SETTLES DOWN the confrontation and avoids ejections. The way I used to handle it (like in the video) led to a lot of crapstorms (just like in the video).

I could care less if he handled it the way they are taught. They way they are taught doesn't seem to work so well eh?

Some people, like one of this guy's defenders, seem to require experience under specific conditions and circumstances to gain any value from the experience.

Others, like you and me, require only life's general experiences to shape our approach to people in any situation---especially a tense one.

And we're not just high school umpires, nor do we call on only our umpiring skills and experience to manage people in tense situations. That's why we are successful in managing people on whatever level we work, and at whatever capacity in life.

[Cub42]

First, thats some nice hate spewing towards pro Umpires. Two, get your facts straight before you rip some of the guys on here who have experience handling these kind of issues. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, But the fact is that handling arguements and ejections at the level that is involved here is not the same as in HS or youth ball. Add in the fact that these guys are working in a totally different enviroment than in Pro ball in the US. They have to have security just to do there job. Finally, the MGR involved here has a very well known history for losing control in these situations. Again, you are entitled to your opinion, but before you criticize this crew, take the time to see how things work at their level of baseball

[Kevin Finnerty]

"Hate spewing"???

You're not serious, are you?

[jicecone]

Originally Posted by Cub42

Finally, the MGR involved here has a very well known history for losing control in these situations.

You know your in a dungeon and you know the dragon has a heated temper, and you STILL insist on pis**ng him off.

This official may be experienced, but he still lacks wisdom.

[justanotherblue]

Originally Posted by jicecone

You know your in a dungeon and you know the dragon has a heated temper, and you STILL insist on pis**ng him off.

This official may be experienced, but he still lacks wisdom.

Hmmm have you ever met DJ?? I have and I have to strongly disagree with you!! Pro ball is a completly different animal, let alone working in the Dominican. Do you honestly belive Verbal Judo would have worked on Earl Weaver? I don't, not even a little. In the video DJ crosses his arms to maintain his distance, then Offerman appears to bump him, then hits him. We don't know what was said, to me it looks like DJ is trying to do his job..correctly. I would go to war anyday with DJ. Offerman is just an idiot, unfortunately at DJ's expense.

[jicecone]

Originally Posted by justanotherblue

Hmmm have you ever met DJ?? I have and I have to strongly disagree with you!! Pro ball is a completly different animal, let alone working in the Dominican. Do you honestly belive Verbal Judo would have worked on Earl Weaver? I don't, not even a little. In the video DJ crosses his arms to maintain his distance, then Offerman appears to bump him, then hits him. We don't know what was said, to me it looks like DJ is trying to do his job..correctly. I would go to war anyday with DJ. Offerman is just an idiot, unfortunately at DJ's expense.

No, I never met the fellow but, I am sure he is an excellent official and outstanding human being. As far as Offerman, a lifetime suspension for this scumbag was a light sentence. Criminal charges are more in line here.

Having said that, I still think for this incident , wisdom, could have been better applied.

[LeeBallanfant]

Originally Posted by jicecone

No, I never met the fellow but, I am sure he is an excellent official and outstanding human being. As far as Offerman, a lifetime suspension for this scumbag was a light sentence. Criminal charges are more in line here.

A lifetime suspension in DR is probably shorter than Jim Valvano's lifetime contract at NCState.

[runem]

Professional baseball is to amateur baseball as roller skates are to an f-16, They both could be called similar insomuch as they are both forms of transportation; common sense highlights the extreme differences, not the similarities. It would be stupid to place my seven year old in the cockpit based on his winning a race at the school roller rink party. Verbal judo is garbage you only hear those amateur umpires, who subscribe to the "we work for them" thinking, talk about. Professional baseball is a COMPLETELY different game altogether. Pleasing "coaches" and ad's is survival in high school and college baseball. Attempting to appease professional MANAGERS not only will not work, it will cause you, your crew, and all other umpires in the league, even bigger and more frequent ****storms. In professional baseball, the objective is not always, and never singularly, to avoid an ejection. Sometimes your job is, simply, to facilitate the argument and subsequent ejection. (this IS NOT what happened in this particular case by the way- DJ handled it near-perfectly) Those of you who think you have a better answer fail to understand the question altogether. This doesn't make you a better or worse umpire than those in professional baseball, it simply makes you an apple running your mouth about life in the orange grove.