(From 2020)While Smokey Gets Another Cold One....

[bestviewofall]

Mike,

Believe it or not, I too agree with your points. If an ASA trained umpire shuns the group that trained them to go work age group ball elsewhere, that does not sit well. I, for one, know dozens of us that work softball every weekend throughout the year. Other than NCAA, 98.6 percent of the rest is ASA. At every level asked.

When our local ASA association had the clinics and camps in January before the NCAA season started, we all were there. Even in the years when we weren't required.

Unfortunately, they stopped having that early season mechanics camps and we made the choice to keep our college weekend intact rather than become tournament certified.

As I am not "championship certified" I am seldom asked to work championship play. But, as the past proves, anytime they are in a pinch, I provided whatever help I can.

If I missed any points, forgive me. I am in the middle of watching my son's game. Sober.

Smokey

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by bestviewofall

Mike,

Believe it or not, I too agree with your points. If an ASA trained umpire shuns the group that trained them to go work age group ball elsewhere, that does not sit well. I, for one, know dozens of us that work softball every weekend throughout the year. Other than NCAA, 98.6 percent of the rest is ASA. At every level asked.

When our local ASA association had the clinics and camps in January before the NCAA season started, we all were there. Even in the years when we weren't required.

Unfortunately, they stopped having that early season mechanics camps and we made the choice to keep our college weekend intact rather than become tournament certified.

As I am not "championship certified" I am seldom asked to work championship play. But, as the past proves, anytime they are in a pinch, I provided whatever help I can.

If I missed any points, forgive me. I am in the middle of watching my son's game. Sober.

Smokey

Smokey,

Please understand and accept that I was not referring to you or referencing your post.

You simply provided a segue to a point of passion which I have concerning umpires and their priorities/loyalties. Many on this board are aware of those feelings, did not mean to rile you.

[bestviewofall]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Smokey,

Please understand and accept that I was not referring to you or referencing your post.

You simply provided a segue to a point of passion which I have concerning umpires and their priorities/loyalties. Many on this board are aware of those feelings, did not mean to rile you.

Mike, after watching a little Mighty Mite football this afternoon (my 8-old got only 6 sacs, an off day) I had a frosty barely pop or two with the team fathers. After that, I took the long drive home and suddenly, it hit me. You weren't blasting me. You were blasting the people you discribed. I'm sorry for the outlandish defense.

But (I'm simply playing devil's advocate here, so please play along nicely), you gotta admit, it is both enticing and a lot easier to justify leaving the wife and kids for another weekend to make a couple thousand dollars than it is to make $200-$300 or volunteer elsewhere.

It is NOT ABOUT THE MONEY, but it is something to think about.

You know that I'm non-confrontational, so pretend that this is someone else that just ticked you off, OK?

Smokey

[wadeintothem]

when your talking 2 grand in a w/e thats straight scrilla and thats about the money. I'm all about that.


One thing I've found with SOME pac10 guys though... once they come back to ASA/lower pay stuff... sometimes you will hear the ole ... if this was a college game I'd be making such and such and would do such and such.

So sometimes its not really worth while to have the big pac 10 guy on the field at a nonNCAA event.

Plus if they see a D1 coach in the stands, that have to go nuzzle the ole brown eye a little between innings..

SOME OF THEM.. definitely not all, because plenty of PAC10 umps have taught me invaluable stuff.

[bestviewofall]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

when your talking 2 grand in a w/e thats straight scrilla and thats about the money. I'm all about that.


One thing I've found with SOME pac10 guys though... once they come back to ASA/lower pay stuff... sometimes you will hear the ole ... if this was a college game I'd be making such and such and would do such and such.

So sometimes its not really worth while to have the big pac 10 guy on the field at a nonNCAA event.

Plus if they see a D1 coach in the stands, that have to go nuzzle the ole brown eye a little between innings..

SOME OF THEM.. definitely not all, because plenty of PAC10 umps have taught me invaluable stuff.

I would love to say that I have never seen that. But, I cannot say that. Different philosophies for different umpires.

For other umpires, every game is the most important game that is being played that day, and they give every thing they have. I like to work with those umpires.

This spring a 3-time WCWS umpire was identified while working a one-man 10u game. When the parent asked the umpire why in the world they are there for that game, the umpire responded, "For the same reason, you are. For them".

I love that story.

That is why we umpire....

Smokey

[SethPDX]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

One thing I've found with SOME pac10 guys though... once they come back to ASA/lower pay stuff... sometimes you will hear the ole ... if this was a college game I'd be making such and such and would do such and such.

SOME OF THEM.. definitely not all, because plenty of PAC10 umps have taught me invaluable stuff.

I think umpires in my area may be lucky in this regard. I work HS games with partners I know have been everywhere and worked everything, but you would never know it unless you asked them. They just go out and work their game and show how good they are.

This is why I don't go talking about how I've done this game, I've been to that tournament: Eventually you'll run into an umpire whose resume puts yours to shame. I just go out and do the best I can.

Originally Posted by bestviewofall

This spring a 3-time WCWS umpire was identified while working a one-man 10u game. When the parent asked the umpire why in the world they are there for that game, the umpire responded, "For the same reason, you are. For them".

I love that story.

That is why we umpire....

Smokey

I like that story too.

[IRISHMAFIA]

SteveM is in a unique situation and I understand from where he is coming. Personally, I would probably take a different approach and work ASA ball just to irritate that particular person. But that is me just being the obnoxious smart *** I can be.

We all umpire for different reasons. In my 43 years of umpiring, I have never worked for the money or the players. Whether it was baseball or softball, I umpired for the game. Have I worked games for nothing? Yep. Would I work every game for nothing? Nope. Regardless of the reason, I don't believe there is a real sports official who at one time or another receive and work an assignment they would rather not have worked. But we do the game anyway because as with everything in life, there is always a less attractive side which must be accommodated.

When I umpire, whether locally or on the road, there is no need to justify the assignment, it is well known I umpire because it is what I do. OTOH, I will not seek nor accept an assignment which will place a financial burden on my family.

Back to the point, umpires need to exercise some sense of loyalty to those placing them in a position to do well on the field. And yes, my area is a bit different from others as (and I know you are probably tired of hearing this) all training save a State School is open to all and free of charge. Unfortunately, that may change before next season.