Louisville/Michigan- Natl Championship

[pfan1981]

Anyone else worried about how the national media is portraying this game. Saying every game should be officiated like this, Jay whatshisface said, "The officials got out of the way and let the players decide it" I thought officials are there to enforce the rule book to create level play.

Personally I thought the game was very rough. I thought there was contact severe enough to create a disadvantage. On a couple loose balls, there were guys just punching at the ball and striking the opposing players arm. Isn't this a foul?

I don't want to see the trend going this way. It will filter down to all levels. Am I way off base here?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by pfan1981

Anyone else worried about how the national media is portraying this game. Saying every game should be officiated like this, Jay whatshisface said, "The officials got out of the way and let the players decide it" I thought officials are there to enforce the rule book to create level play.

Personally I thought the game was very rough. I thought there was contact severe enough to create a disadvantage. On a couple loose balls, there were guys just punching at the ball and striking the opposing players arm. Isn't this a foul?

I don't want to see the trend going this way. It will filter down to all levels. Am I way off base here?

Were you officiating the game? If not then there will always be things that happen you do not like. And I would have to watch the game from a TV perspective, but nothing about that game looked rough anymore than any other game I have seen. There were players going to the basket and when you have defenders contesting shots, you will have contact.

I really hate to say this, but this is what I find about this site, most people here only officiating high school but then come up with every little contact play and want to call a foul. This was an up and down game and a lot of fouls were called. Because they did not call 20 more the game was rough?

Peace

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I really hate to say this, but this is what I find about this site, most people here only officiating high school but then come up with every little contact play and want to call a foul. This was an up and down game and a lot of fouls were called. Because they did not call 20 more the game was rough?

Peace

And you, of course, being the big-time D-I official that you are, get to tell those lowly high school officials that their opinions and questions don't count.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

And you, of course, being the big-time D-I official that you are, get to tell those lowly high school officials that their opinions and questions don't count.

You do not have to work D1 to know that players at the college level (Men's basketball especially) are a little rougher and more physical than high school basketball in general. Bigger and quicker people. That does not mean that because it is rougher than what some might see, does not equate more fouls must be called. Players right or wrong are not as disadvantaged. Sorry, but people try to equate high school thinking to college basketball. It does not apply all the time.

Peace

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

You do not have to work D1 to know that players at the college level (Men's basketball especially) are a little rougher and more physical than high school basketball in general. Bigger and quicker people. That does not mean that because it is rougher than what some might see, does not equate more fouls must be called. Players right or wrong are not as disadvantaged. Sorry, but people try to equate high school thinking to college basketball. It does not apply all the time.

Peace

Of course it doesn't apply. But when someone posts their opinion or asks a question and the response they get is basically a slap in the face of "well, you are just a high school ref", then that is BS.

What was that word I used before?

Oh yeah...a$$ hat.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Of course it doesn't apply. But when someone posts their opinion or asks a question and the response they get is basically a slap in the face of "well, you are just a high school ref", then that is BS.

What was that word I used before?

Oh yeah...a$$ hat.

OK, but I also hear, "Well those were obvious because I see them on a computer screen" attitude that gets on my nerves. I watch a lot of high school games just as an evaluator and I see a lot of these same plays missed by high school officials in their games all the time. I have said before, I call more travels than most of my partners at the high school level, because most officials I come in contact with often will not call a basic travel in the post or on the perimeter. I do when it is obvious, but I do not think that makes me so much more talented because I see them when I do.

Peace

[IUgrad92]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I really hate to say this, but this is what I find about this site, most people here only officiating high school but then come up with every little contact play and want to call a foul. This was an up and down game and a lot of fouls were called. Because they did not call 20 more the game was rough?

Peace

37 fouls in the game..... 4-5 of those fouls by Michigan at the end to get up to 7, to put L'ville in bonus, etc.??? So 'actual' fouls committed was in the low 30's... From my end of the world, that's not a lot of fouls for a game.

[rekent]

Originally Posted by IUgrad92

37 ...From my end of the world, that's not a lot of fouls for a game.

You said it right there, "from your end of the world." None of us (presumably) were there, and so no one here knows what directive these officials may have been given by their assigner. Perhaps the NCAA specifically wanted to "let them play" this game.

[IUgrad92]

Originally Posted by rekent

You said it right there, "from your end of the world." None of us (presumably) were there, and so no one here knows what directive these officials may have been given by their assigner. Perhaps the NCAA specifically wanted to "let them play" this game.

Perhaps the NCAA did ('let them play' would infer that fewer fouls were called, right?), however that would contradict the comment that I was responding to... that there were 'a lot of fouls called'.

[icallfouls]

That was a great game. The officiating was just right for this game.

My only issues:
1) Early GT that did not get called
2) Kicked ball that did not get called
3) Incorrect call by L on clean block by Michigan's Burke

Glad that there were no weak held/jump ball calls like there was on Saturday

[#olderthanilook]

Originally Posted by icallfouls

That was a great game. The officiating was just right for this game.

My only issues:
1) Early GT that did not get called
2) Kicked ball that did not get called
3) Incorrect call by L on clean block by Michigan's Burke
4) Incorrect call on 3pt attempt in corner

Glad that there were no weak held/jump ball calls like there was on Saturday

Added #4 and I'm right there with you.

That was a wildly entertaining game. Only a couple of late made 3FGA by Michigan would have made it even better.

The athleticsm, speed and quickness were off the charts.

I have to admit, "the officials might be losing a little bit of control of this game" briefly occurred to me 5 or 6 mins into the game. But, the players handled themselves beautifully, as did the coaches.

Entertaining game. Loved it.

(I'm not a L'ville fan by any stretch, either.)

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by #olderthanilook

Added #4 and I'm right there with you.

That would be good if your #4 was actually correct.

[michblue]

Originally Posted by #olderthanilook

Added #4 and I'm right there with you.

That was a wildly entertaining game. Only a couple of late made 3FGA by Michigan would have made it even better.

The athleticsm, speed and quickness were off the charts.

I have to admit, "the officials might be losing a little bit of control of this game" briefly occurred to me 5 or 6 mins into the game. But, the players handled themselves beautifully, as did the coaches.

Entertaining game. Loved it.

(I'm not a L'ville fan by any stretch, either.)

I agree with you and icallfouls both.....I thought it was a very entertaining game to watch and I thought the officiating was just right for this type of game. Yes it was physical, but as another poster said it was "big boy" basketball last night. Both of these teams were use to that style of officiating from the regular season.

[VaTerp]

Originally Posted by IUgrad92

It's not difficult to see that they came out with the 'let them play' mentality. Problem is, when you then have a few touch or phantom fouls, it just plain looks bad. I'd rather have the officials set the tone for the game rather than the players.

This game has not benefitted from the 'let them play' philosophy. It has only made them look bad and has drawn more frustration from the players than need be.

Well, I don't remember the touch/phantom calls you're talking about other than the Burke block where it seems the L just reacted and thought he saw something that wasnt there.

And as far as setting a tone and who should do it, that's an argument that can go both ways. What I say in my pre-games is that it should not take us long as a crew to figure out what the game needs and what kind of whistles we need to put in it.

This game had two athletic and aggressive teams. There were many plays that could have had whistles but I think the crew did a good job of passing on marginal contact and was consistent on both ends. IMO, the game did not need more whistles.

Originally Posted by IUgrad92

This is what will stick with me from this game....

The best play of the game (Burke's block) got penalized.

One of the worst plays of the game (Hancock jumping sideways into a defender when shooting from the corner) got rewarded.

What sticks with me is that it was a fast paced, competitive natl championship game where both teams played hard and did not make for the easiest game to officiate but the crew overall did a nice job.

If you want to focus on two plays that's fine but you could do that in almost any basketball game.

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Yeah, that was the only single play I was disappointed in. I think they could have put a few more whistles on defenders putting theirs hands on dribblers but I felt they allowed the same amount of contact on both ends in the paint and the players adjusted to it.

The Burke block and the kick ball where it looks like the C got straight-lined were the only real plays that stuck out to me.

There was definitely some contact that could have been called but I felt they were consistent on both ends and players adjusted well. As zebraman said earlier and I stated above, it was two athletic, aggressive teams and not an easy contest to officiate but I think they did a nice job.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by IUgrad92

37 fouls in the game..... 4-5 of those fouls by Michigan at the end to get up to 7, to put L'ville in bonus, etc.??? So 'actual' fouls committed was in the low 30's... From my end of the world, that's not a lot of fouls for a game.

So they are just under a foul a minute and you think that is not a lot of foul?

Peace