Louisville/Michigan- Natl Championship

[maroonx]

Good whistle on the Burke block. Going to goal, offensive player in the air, contact and offensive player hits the floor. Watch the off hand on Siva's hip. Entirely too much contact. Why would an official hold whistle just because of a high stakes game? A foul is a foul.

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by maroonx

Good whistle on the Burke block. Going to goal, offensive player in the air, contact and offensive player hits the floor. Watch the off hand on Siva's hip. Entirely too much contact. Why would an official hold whistle just because of a high stakes game? A foul is a foul.

That was not a foul. The UL player went to the floor because he got his dunk attempt blocked, not because of some off hand contact.

[APG]

Originally Posted by maroonx

Good whistle on the Burke block. Going to goal, offensive player in the air, contact and offensive player hits the floor. Watch the off hand on Siva's hip. Entirely too much contact. Why would an official hold whistle just because of a high stakes game? A foul is a foul.

An official would hold his whistle because that's not a foul at any level of play.

[JRutledge]

That is a great block. I would not have called a foul if I see the entire play. But if that was the only missed call, then they did pretty good. I felt the game overall was well officiated. There are always calls that we can disagree with with slow motion replay.

Peace

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

That is a great block. I would not have called a foul if I see the entire play. But if that was the only missed call, then they did pretty good. I felt the game overall was well officiated. There are always calls that we can disagree with with slow motion replay.

Peace

Yeah, that was the only single play I was disappointed in. I think they could have put a few more whistles on defenders putting theirs hands on dribblers but I felt they allowed the same amount of contact on both ends in the paint and the players adjusted to it.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by maroonx

Good whistle on the Burke block. Going to goal, offensive player in the air, contact and offensive player hits the floor. Watch the off hand on Siva's hip. Entirely too much contact. Why would an official hold whistle just because of a high stakes game? A foul is a foul.

Burke's off-arm got pinned against his own body, what are you talking about?

[pfan1981]

Anyone else worried about how the national media is portraying this game. Saying every game should be officiated like this, Jay whatshisface said, "The officials got out of the way and let the players decide it" I thought officials are there to enforce the rule book to create level play.

Personally I thought the game was very rough. I thought there was contact severe enough to create a disadvantage. On a couple loose balls, there were guys just punching at the ball and striking the opposing players arm. Isn't this a foul?

I don't want to see the trend going this way. It will filter down to all levels. Am I way off base here?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by pfan1981

Anyone else worried about how the national media is portraying this game. Saying every game should be officiated like this, Jay whatshisface said, "The officials got out of the way and let the players decide it" I thought officials are there to enforce the rule book to create level play.

Personally I thought the game was very rough. I thought there was contact severe enough to create a disadvantage. On a couple loose balls, there were guys just punching at the ball and striking the opposing players arm. Isn't this a foul?

I don't want to see the trend going this way. It will filter down to all levels. Am I way off base here?

Were you officiating the game? If not then there will always be things that happen you do not like. And I would have to watch the game from a TV perspective, but nothing about that game looked rough anymore than any other game I have seen. There were players going to the basket and when you have defenders contesting shots, you will have contact.

I really hate to say this, but this is what I find about this site, most people here only officiating high school but then come up with every little contact play and want to call a foul. This was an up and down game and a lot of fouls were called. Because they did not call 20 more the game was rough?

Peace

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I really hate to say this, but this is what I find about this site, most people here only officiating high school but then come up with every little contact play and want to call a foul. This was an up and down game and a lot of fouls were called. Because they did not call 20 more the game was rough?

Peace

And you, of course, being the big-time D-I official that you are, get to tell those lowly high school officials that their opinions and questions don't count.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

And you, of course, being the big-time D-I official that you are, get to tell those lowly high school officials that their opinions and questions don't count.

You do not have to work D1 to know that players at the college level (Men's basketball especially) are a little rougher and more physical than high school basketball in general. Bigger and quicker people. That does not mean that because it is rougher than what some might see, does not equate more fouls must be called. Players right or wrong are not as disadvantaged. Sorry, but people try to equate high school thinking to college basketball. It does not apply all the time.

Peace

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

You do not have to work D1 to know that players at the college level (Men's basketball especially) are a little rougher and more physical than high school basketball in general. Bigger and quicker people. That does not mean that because it is rougher than what some might see, does not equate more fouls must be called. Players right or wrong are not as disadvantaged. Sorry, but people try to equate high school thinking to college basketball. It does not apply all the time.

Peace

Of course it doesn't apply. But when someone posts their opinion or asks a question and the response they get is basically a slap in the face of "well, you are just a high school ref", then that is BS.

What was that word I used before?

Oh yeah...a$$ hat.

[IUgrad92]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I really hate to say this, but this is what I find about this site, most people here only officiating high school but then come up with every little contact play and want to call a foul. This was an up and down game and a lot of fouls were called. Because they did not call 20 more the game was rough?

Peace

37 fouls in the game..... 4-5 of those fouls by Michigan at the end to get up to 7, to put L'ville in bonus, etc.??? So 'actual' fouls committed was in the low 30's... From my end of the world, that's not a lot of fouls for a game.

[rekent]

Originally Posted by IUgrad92

37 ...From my end of the world, that's not a lot of fouls for a game.

You said it right there, "from your end of the world." None of us (presumably) were there, and so no one here knows what directive these officials may have been given by their assigner. Perhaps the NCAA specifically wanted to "let them play" this game.

[IUgrad92]

Originally Posted by rekent

You said it right there, "from your end of the world." None of us (presumably) were there, and so no one here knows what directive these officials may have been given by their assigner. Perhaps the NCAA specifically wanted to "let them play" this game.

Perhaps the NCAA did ('let them play' would infer that fewer fouls were called, right?), however that would contradict the comment that I was responding to... that there were 'a lot of fouls called'.

[icallfouls]

That was a great game. The officiating was just right for this game.

My only issues:
1) Early GT that did not get called
2) Kicked ball that did not get called
3) Incorrect call by L on clean block by Michigan's Burke

Glad that there were no weak held/jump ball calls like there was on Saturday