Louisville/Michigan- Natl Championship

[IUgrad92]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

So they are just under a foul a minute and you think that is not a lot of foul?

Peace

I don't know, you're the expert, you tell me. I'm guessing though that Higgins, Greene, and Cahill all must of called a ton of fouls this year as they averaged 33.9, 35.2, and 32.8 FPG respectively this season.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by IUgrad92

I don't know, you're the expert, you tell me. I'm guessing though that Higgins, Greene, and Cahill all must of called a ton of fouls this year as they averaged 33.9, 35.2, and 32.8 FPG respectively this season.

I am obviously more of an expert than you are. I work those games and monitor what gets called in my games. I had a game with about (correction) 55 fouls and it was a miserable night as an official. One team shot 38 FTs and the other shot 30 FTs and it was not a fun game in comparison to others. The score was 87-77. And when I told other officials how many fouls we called in that game, they were like "Damn that is a lot of fouls."

Peace

[icallfouls]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I am obviously more of an expert than you are. I work those games and monitor what gets called in my games. I had a game with about 43 fouls and it was a miserable night as an official. One team shot 38 FTs and the other shot 30 FTs and it was not a fun game in comparison to others. The score was 87-77. And when I told other officials how many fouls we called in that game, they were like "Damn that is a lot of fouls."

Peace

I think crews need to have this kind of awareness. I had a game this year and the crew called 32 fouls in the 1st half. In my opinion it was just too many. The half was excrutiating to be part of. There were too many whistles on marginal contact.

We talked at half, and only had 17 fouls the rest of the game. They were obvious, they fit the game, and they were correct.

[IUgrad92]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I am obviously more of an expert than you are. I work those games and monitor what gets called in my games. I had a game with about (correction) 55 fouls and it was a miserable night as an official. One team shot 38 FTs and the other shot 30 FTs and it was not a fun game in comparison to others. The score was 87-77. And when I told other officials how many fouls we called in that game, they were like "Damn that is a lot of fouls."

Peace

I have no idea why this went from saying a game's foul count in the low/mid 30's is a 'lot of fouls' to talking about a game with 55 fouls.

Games in the 30's implies both teams probably got into bonus each half but probably not double-bonus. I call that a good night at the office. Evidently you don't, or maybe you do. It's hard to tell with someone who's all over the map....

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Were you officiating the game? If not then there will always be things that happen you do not like. And I would have to watch the game from a TV perspective, but nothing about that game looked rough anymore than any other game I have seen. There were players going to the basket and when you have defenders contesting shots, you will have contact.

I really hate to say this, but this is what I find about this site, most people here only officiating high school but then come up with every little contact play and want to call a foul. This was an up and down game and a lot of fouls were called. Because they did not call 20 more the game was rough?

Peace

No... the game was rough because the game was rough. (Perhaps you didn't get the angles we all did because you were there... have you seen it on tv yet?)

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by maroonx

Good whistle on the Burke block. Going to goal, offensive player in the air, contact and offensive player hits the floor. Watch the off hand on Siva's hip. Entirely too much contact. Why would an official hold whistle just because of a high stakes game? A foul is a foul.

A foul is a foul but that wasn't. The L was blocked out in terms of any potential body contact and the block itself was clean.

I'll bet anything the L wanted that one back the second he blew his whistle. I'll also go all in that he took at peek at the C's face to get some kind of confirmation. I know we can't see his - the C's - face but a blank stare says a lot.

Originally Posted by pfan1981

Anyone else worried about how the national media is portraying this game. Saying every game should be officiated like this, Jay whatshisface said, "The officials got out of the way and let the players decide it" I thought officials are there to enforce the rule book to create level play.

Personally I thought the game was very rough. I thought there was contact severe enough to create a disadvantage. On a couple loose balls, there were guys just punching at the ball and striking the opposing players arm. Isn't this a foul?

I don't want to see the trend going this way. It will filter down to all levels. Am I way off base here?

We're there to enforce the rule book but try to use this as a guideline, no matter the level: Did the crew call the fouls that needed to be called? If the answer is "yes" then things will generally be okay. There were things missed but that's going to be the case every game. D1 kids are very fast and very strong. We're not

Going back to my last BV game a few weeks ago I still go over some of the calls I thought I should have made but the assignor/observer said exactly what I just wrote: "You guys made the calls that needed to be made." Neither team had the advantage tilted in their favor by what we did or didn't do.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by pfan1981

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I don't want to see the trend going this way. It will filter down to all levels. Am I way off base here?

This was the BiG 10 vs. the Big East, probably the 2 most physical conferences in all of basketball (including the NBA). It's "Big Boy" basketball. Wait til you go to a camp full of D1 prospects and with D1 officials observing you. A lot of whistles is not what they will be looking for.

[Judtech]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

This was the BiG 10 vs. the Big East, probably the 2 most physical conferences in all of basketball (including the NBA). It's "Big Boy" basketball. Wait til you go to a camp full of D1 prospects and with D1 officials observing you. A lot of whistles is not what they will be looking for.

In those situations you get graded more on what you DON'T call.

Also, I hate when people say that officials 'let them play". It implies that the prior 30+ games were called incorrectly. It's my pet peeve but I hate when officials change the way they call the game because of the stage it is one. The teams got where they are playing a certain style that was in part dictated by the officials all year. Officials should either 'let them play' all year or call the game they've called all year. Thank you for your time. We now continue with our regularly scheduled program 'Gottleib and Burke: In the Paint'