Goaltending on Backboard Slap

[Multiple Sports]

Without question, I would have went to him and asked him if his whistle was for touching the ball (goaltending) or slapping the backboard. If ball goes in no problem, the defensive team gets ball and canrun the line. If ball doesn't go in you have an inadverdant whistle and the result is an AP. If that is the situation then get both coaches together and let them know the deal.

As a result of the play, you had a blown rule and a technical becuase the CREW blew the rule........

If the guy got his feelings hurt, too bad !!!!!!

[Tio]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

He thought it was a judgment call, do you make it a habit to challenge your partners' judgment calls?

This is not a judgment call. The official incorrectly assessed a goaltending violation on a play due to not knowing the rule. If it were a close game and resulted in a technical foul on the coach the play went against shame on us. We can all be better that allowing that to happen.

On rules plays, I think the crew MUST get the interpretation correct at the expense of the calling official's ego. On judgment calls, you let your crew live and die.

As the crew chief, the supervisor has given him added authority for situations such as this. If he was the U1 or U2 then all you can do is provide the CC with information and hope they do what is right for the game.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Tio

This is not a judgment call.

Did you read Rickman's followup post?

Originally Posted by rickman

I thought that he had B1 touching the ball on its way down. I didn't know he was misapplying the backboard rule.

Whether the ball is on its way down IS a judgment call.

[Tio]

Originally Posted by mbyron

Did you read Rickman's followup post?



Whether the ball is on its way down IS a judgment call.

oops....didn't see that. Yes, if he thought the defender touched the ball then there is nothing you can do other than review player coverage on tape to ensure that he had an open look.

My initial read was that he called the violation solely for the contact with the backboard.... this is among the most frequently misinterpreted rules.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Tio

This is not a judgment call. The official incorrectly assessed a goaltending violation on a play due to not knowing the rule. If it were a close game and resulted in a technical foul on the coach the play went against shame on us. We can all be better that allowing that to happen.

On rules plays, I think the crew MUST get the interpretation correct at the expense of the calling official's ego. On judgment calls, you let your crew live and die.

As the crew chief, the supervisor has given him added authority for situations such as this. If he was the U1 or U2 then all you can do is provide the CC with information and hope they do what is right for the game.

Maybe in your world. We have no "crew chiefs" here (other than for scheduling purposes in some conferences) and the R only has the power to resolve disagreements on whether goals count or not and to rule on items not specifically covered in the rules (these are specifically outlined in the NFHS Officials Manual).

Snaq's point is that the off official *thought* the ball got touched on the way down -- it wasn't obvious to him it was called only because the backboard was slapped. In that situation, do you actually stop the game...on a guess?

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Tio

On rules plays, I think the crew MUST get the interpretation correct at the expense of the calling official's ego. On judgment calls, you let your crew live and die.

As the crew chief, the supervisor has given him added authority for situations such as this. If he was the U1 or U2 then all you can do is provide the CC with information and hope they do what is right for the game.

Absolutely nothing wrong with these statements.

In my area, the assignor usually books the most experienced official as the R. That doesn't mean he can't screw up or is always right. But if there's a screwup, guess he the assignor is calling. So while there may not be anymore authority per the rule book, there is an expectation from the assignor. If that's not the case in your area, great.

Nowhere did he say he would change the call. He made it clear that the calling official would have to change the call.

If you know I misapplied a rule and you don't have the balls to come to me and discuss it, then you don't have an R's mentality.

[refiator]

Originally Posted by rickman5

The goal shakes and ball falls out. I hold off on my whistle because I felt like he was attempting to block the shot.

Attempting.....But DID he block the shot? If not, you have a quick "T" for the vibration making the ball fall out...No goal tending on that, but two shots plus the ball. Faster reaction time and better communication with your partner may have averted a fiasco, I'm just saying'.......

[APG]

Originally Posted by refiator

Attempting.....But DID he block the shot? If not, you have a quick "T" for the vibration making the ball fall out...No goal tending on that, but two shots plus the ball. Faster reaction time and better communication with your partner may have averted a fiasco, I'm just saying'.......

Say what?

If a player makes a legit attempt at blocking the ball and hits the backboard, you can cause the basket to shake till kingdom come and it's still legal under NFHS rules.

[refiator]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Say what?

If a player makes a legit attempt at blocking the ball and hits the backboard, you can cause the basket to shake till kingdom come and it's still legal under NFHS rules.

I'm assuming the slap was intentional on a missed block, causing the ring to vibrate, and the ball falls clear.....

[Adam]

Originally Posted by refiator

I'm assuming the slap was intentional on a missed block, causing the ring to vibrate, and the ball falls clear.....

If the defender attempts to block a shot and the same motion hits the backboard, play on.

[fiasco]

Originally Posted by refiator

I'm assuming the slap was intentional on a missed block, causing the ring to vibrate, and the ball falls clear.....

Huh? Slap was intentional on a missed block? I'm not catching your meaning.

You have to make a judgment call: was the slap part of a legitimate attempt to make a play on the ball, or was it not? If so, T. If not, play on.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by refiator

I'm assuming the slap was intentional on a missed block, causing the ring to vibrate, and the ball falls clear.....

Do you have a rules citation for this? A great myth that is never accompanied by a quote from the rule or case book.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Do you have a rules citation for this? A great myth that is never accompanied by a quote from the rule or case book.

That explains the entire team who stood making a T signal when their opponent hit the backboard on a missed block attempt. I put them in timeout.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

If a player makes a legit attempt at blocking the ball and hits the backboard, you can cause the basket to shake till kingdom come and it's still legal under NFHS rules.

Not true about twenty-five years ago. I believe that the rule, back then, stated that if the backboard shook to a certain degree, that an official could charge a technical foul. There are still still some old coaches coaching, and some old officials officiating.

[APG]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Not true about twenty-five years ago. I believe that the rule, back then, stated that if the backboard shook to a certain degree, that an official could charge a technical foul. There are still still some old coaches coaching, and some old officials officiating.

You'll have to forgive me for not knowing that...seeing as I wasn't even alive yet.