Goaltending on Backboard Slap

[Adam]

He thought it was a judgment call, do you make it a habit to challenge your partners' judgment calls?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

He thought it was a judgment call, do you make it a habit to challenge your partners' judgment calls?

Some people (not necessarily who you're asking) apparently do.

[BillyMac]

The backboard has nothing to do with goaltending. Goaltending when a player touches the ball during a try, or tap, while it is in its downward flight, entirely above the basket ring level and has the possibility of entering the basket. On most layups, the ball is going up after it contacts the backboard. It is legal to pin the ball against the backboard if it still on the way up and not in the imaginary cylinder above the basket. Slapping the backboard is neither basket interference nor is it goaltending and points cannot be awarded. A player who strikes a backboard, during a tap, or a try, so forcefully that it cannot be ignored because it is an attempt to draw attention to the player, or a means of venting frustration, may be assessed a technical foul. When a player simply attempts to block a shot and accidentally slaps the backboard it is neither a violation nor is it a technical foul. (NFHS)

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Some people (not necessarily who you're asking) apparently do.

Too many unfortunately.

[Multiple Sports]

Without question, I would have went to him and asked him if his whistle was for touching the ball (goaltending) or slapping the backboard. If ball goes in no problem, the defensive team gets ball and canrun the line. If ball doesn't go in you have an inadverdant whistle and the result is an AP. If that is the situation then get both coaches together and let them know the deal.

As a result of the play, you had a blown rule and a technical becuase the CREW blew the rule........

If the guy got his feelings hurt, too bad !!!!!!

[Adam]

Do you approach your partner to check on his backcourt violations, too?

[fiasco]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Do you approach your partner to check on his backcourt violations, too?

You're killing two clichés with one stone here: making a mountain out of a molehill and beating a dead horse, all at the same time.

I think most of us would all agree we don't go questioning our partners' judgment calls on a regular basis. But comparing this situation to a run-of-the-mill backcourt or travel call is comparing apples to oranges as long as we're pulling out all the stops on the cliché wagon.

In this type of unusual situation, I don't think it hurts anyone to take a moment and make sure everyone is on the same page. Now, do I want you coming in and making a spectacle and overturning my call? No, but if you want to come over to me and ask me what I had, I'm not going to get all bent out of shape as long as it doesn't keep happening during the game.

It's not that big of a deal. Just get it right.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by fiasco

Now, do I want you coming in and making a spectacle and overturning my call? No, but if you want to come over to me and ask me what I had, I'm not going to get all bent out of shape as long as it doesn't keep happening during the game.

It's not that big of a deal. Just get it right.

Agreed.

Last night, I had a blocking foul in the midcourt. The defender came flying at me so much, I considered for an instant whether he was flopping. I saw no LGP, so I went with the block.

The partisan parents disagreed strongly, and the coach asked me if I had seen the elbow. From my angle (straightlined, as it turned out), I saw no elbow, and that's what I told him.

After the game, my young partner told me he was about to call a PC foul, but I was so confident with my block call, that he backed down. I really wish he had come and talked with me, for reasons Fiasco mentioned -- just the sake of getting it right. I would never feel ill will to any partner who came and talked to me.

The only time I've ever felt such ill will was an elderly partner who overruled my backcourt call several years ago without talking with me. (I was too green and stunned to say anything at that time.) If you think your partner is wrong, go forth and communicate, but let him decide whether to make the change. I don't see how any bad feelings could result from that.

[Adam]

BS, I was responding to a new post.

Who said run of the mill? The only way I approach my partner on this is if he has done something else previously to make me think I can't trust him to know the rules. Otherwise, I'll assume he saw something I didn't.

You're C and your T calls GT with the ball on its way up, but near its peak. You going to extend the stoppage to make sure he didn't get the rule wrong?

[Tio]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

He thought it was a judgment call, do you make it a habit to challenge your partners' judgment calls?

This is not a judgment call. The official incorrectly assessed a goaltending violation on a play due to not knowing the rule. If it were a close game and resulted in a technical foul on the coach the play went against shame on us. We can all be better that allowing that to happen.

On rules plays, I think the crew MUST get the interpretation correct at the expense of the calling official's ego. On judgment calls, you let your crew live and die.

As the crew chief, the supervisor has given him added authority for situations such as this. If he was the U1 or U2 then all you can do is provide the CC with information and hope they do what is right for the game.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Tio

This is not a judgment call.

Did you read Rickman's followup post?

Originally Posted by rickman

I thought that he had B1 touching the ball on its way down. I didn't know he was misapplying the backboard rule.

Whether the ball is on its way down IS a judgment call.

[Tio]

Originally Posted by mbyron

Did you read Rickman's followup post?



Whether the ball is on its way down IS a judgment call.

oops....didn't see that. Yes, if he thought the defender touched the ball then there is nothing you can do other than review player coverage on tape to ensure that he had an open look.

My initial read was that he called the violation solely for the contact with the backboard.... this is among the most frequently misinterpreted rules.

[tomegun]

Well, it seems like Tio is trying to be the crew chief of this thread. Honestly, all of that crew chief talk lost me. I think once you are used to being the R or crew chief you can have a pregame and game without letting everyone know you are the R. Your posts seem kind of heavy-handed with the crew chief responsibility.

By the way, I agree with mbyron - goaltending and/or giving a T for slapping the backboard are both judgement calls.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by tomegun

Well, it seems like Tio is trying to be the crew chief of this thread. Honestly, all of that crew chief talk lost me. I think once you are used to being the R or crew chief you can have a pregame and game without letting everyone know you are the R. Your posts seem kind of heavy-handed with the crew chief responsibility.

Really. I know it's a trite camp saying, but everyone should have an R's mentality. The ability to take charge and handle situations. My regular partner does that quite well as (I think) do I - I can't imagine having to clean up one of his situations and vice versa. I do work with others who are not this strong and I'm, essentially, the R regardless of who checked the books and tossed the opening jump.

In football, the crew chief (the R) does have the final say on a play where two officials disagree and won't yield their calls, but it's a "power" I'm loathe to use and for good reason. It does little for crew harmony when I'm heavy handed and I learned this the hard way. Everyone know I'm the crew chief there (since I'm the only one wearing a white hat) and I spend most of my time trying to convince everyone that I'm just working one of the 5 positions and have my own responsibilities.

[Tio]

Originally Posted by tomegun

Well, it seems like Tio is trying to be the crew chief of this thread. Honestly, all of that crew chief talk lost me. I think once you are used to being the R or crew chief you can have a pregame and game without letting everyone know you are the R. Your posts seem kind of heavy-handed with the crew chief responsibility.

By the way, I agree with mbyron - goaltending and/or giving a T for slapping the backboard are both judgement calls.

HaHa..forgive me...truly we should all strive to have a Crew Chief mentality even if not assigned on paper.

I am extremely passionate about the game. As an official, I go into each game with the following goals (in order of importance):

1. Do what's best for the game
2. Do what's best for the crew
3. Do what's best for me

First and foremost my first priority is to do what is right for the game...always. I heard this at a camp many years ago and have taken it with me.

It drives me crazy when we miss a play...at a crucial juncture of a game then compound it with a technical foul against the team the incorrect call went against. We don't need the tech. if we get the play right, plain and simple.

I don't get all of my plays right...but I do know the rules very well and will not allow a rule to be misapplied in my games.