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Old Wed Feb 16, 2011, 10:01am
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I think my 3rd year reffing I was doing a JVBoys game. I was being evaluated and after the game I was told that even though my calls were correct and I had a good presence on the court, I wasn't sweating enough. I needed to look like I was working more.
I found this funny since at the time I was about 22 years old, probably in the best shape of anyone in our association, and was told this by a 60 yo that retired at the end of that year cause he was too slow to keep up anymore.
If this is all they've got...you were probably doing a pretty good job!
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Old Wed Feb 16, 2011, 02:23pm
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If by "hustling" the video actually shows you getting caught up in the horserace pace of the players so that you look like a squirrel on a treadmill, then something's not right.
If by "hustling" the video actually shows you never getting settled to view your primary so that you become one of those "wanderers" for no particular reason, then something's not right.
If by "hustling" the video actually shows you bobbing and weaving your head all the time like a bobblehead, then something's not right.
A great clinician once taught that once one is settled in his primary, everything necessary to see can be seen from within the distance of the occasional "karaoke (sp?) step"--one crossover and another lateral step beyond that.
If by "hustling" the video actually shows you quick enough down court that you don't get beat by even the most unexpected turnover and fastbreak, then you've got it together!
From a former squirrel, wanderer, and bobblehead...
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Old Wed Feb 16, 2011, 02:29pm
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If by "hustling" the video actually shows you getting caught up in the horserace pace of the players so that you look like a squirrel on a treadmill, then something's not right.
If by "hustling" the video actually shows you never getting settled to view your primary so that you become one of those "wanderers" for no particular reason, then something's not right.
If by "hustling" the video actually shows you bobbing and weaving your head all the time like a bobblehead, then something's not right.
A great clinician once taught that once one is settled in his primary, everything necessary to see can be seen from within the distance of the occasional "karaoke (sp?) step"--one crossover and another lateral step beyond that.
If by "hustling" the video actually shows you quick enough down court that you don't get beat by even the most unexpected turnover and fastbreak, then you've got it together!
From a former squirrel, wanderer, and bobblehead...
I tried to be less of a squirrel in the second half, and I found myself able to see the same amount, if not more. I guess I was trying to make my movements to improve too deliberate.

I'm hoping to get the tape.
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Old Wed Feb 16, 2011, 03:03pm
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I tried to be less of a squirrel in the second half, and I found myself able to see the same amount, if not more. I guess I was trying to make my movements to improve too deliberate.

I'm hoping to get the tape.
There was a guy I knew who was very well-respected who was a squirrel. So, I had that burned into my brain. But, he had many years under his belt, and I didn't. So, it was a surprise to me when some officials told me to move more slowly because it looked like I was chasing the play.

I have tried to be much more deliberate about my movement on the court and I have found that it works. It helps also with mechanics and reporting as I am more deliberate in those areas. The two go hand in glove.
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Old Thu Feb 17, 2011, 10:39am
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A great clinician once taught that once one is settled in his primary, everything necessary to see can be seen from within the distance of the occasional "karaoke (sp?) step"--one crossover and another lateral step beyond that.
I have heard this at camps as well and believe it to be true when working 3-whistle games. Unfortunately, where I'm at we still work almost exclusively 2-whistle for HS and lower ... and this thinking simply doesn't apply, especially when you're the T.
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I have heard this at camps as well and believe it to be true when working 3-whistle games. Unfortunately, where I'm at we still work almost exclusively 2-whistle for HS and lower ... and this thinking simply doesn't apply, especially when you're the T.
That is true, but you don't have to be an electron while working the arc.
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That is true, but you don't have to be an electron while working the arc.
Ahhh ... the days when I could actually move like an electron.......
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Old Thu Feb 17, 2011, 11:05am
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Ahhh ... the days when I could actually move like an electron.......
Then there are the 'neutrons' who stay at a point fixed at the intersection of the sideline and division line.....
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Old Thu Feb 17, 2011, 11:16am
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I worked with one of them the other night. He looked real funny standing there in the corner all night.

A couple of refs watching from stands called him the zebra mussel as he always "stuck" to that spot. When he was lead he stood directly under the basket and never moved. It was a tough game to do with him. Fortunately, it was a one time deal and I was stepping in for a friend who had a family emergency.
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Old Thu Feb 17, 2011, 12:25pm
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Ahhh ... the days when I could actually move like an electron.......
You could move in a quantum probability amplitude? Wow!
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I have heard this at camps as well and believe it to be true when working 3-whistle games. Unfortunately, where I'm at we still work almost exclusively 2-whistle for HS and lower ... and this thinking simply doesn't apply, especially when you're the T.
I still do two-man occasionally, in fact I have a DH in a couple of hours. Unless there's something where I need to sprint to get to another position, I'll still do the "karaoke two-step", whether at L or T, to get where I need to see the slot or the play better. If necessary, one move will be followed by another, but I still do it all the time whenever I get to do two-man as well as three-man.

The guys I see moving all over the place, sprinting back and forth like an ADD inflicted ant, usually don't get themselves into any sort of better position to see what they need to see better anyway.

Since it's fresh on my mind, I'll try to report back on how it works in two-man after the games tonight.
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Old Fri Feb 18, 2011, 10:27am
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I still do two-man occasionally, in fact I have a DH in a couple of hours. Unless there's something where I need to sprint to get to another position, I'll still do the "karaoke two-step", whether at L or T, to get where I need to see the slot or the play better. If necessary, one move will be followed by another, but I still do it all the time whenever I get to do two-man as well as three-man.

The guys I see moving all over the place, sprinting back and forth like an ADD inflicted ant, usually don't get themselves into any sort of better position to see what they need to see better anyway.

Since it's fresh on my mind, I'll try to report back on how it works in two-man after the games tonight.
I'm interested in hearing your report. My original comment wasn't designed to imply that running all over the place as T is SOP in 2-whistle. I generally agree with you that 2-4 steps for angles is sufficient.

However, when the ball goes opposite of your position and is well-above the FT line extended ... I personally move where I need to for angles and sometimes this means taking half dozen steps diagonally into the BC. If the ball squirts out of bounds on the L's sideline and he looks to me for help, I'm sureashell not coming up with a jump ball signal because of poor positioning.
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Old Fri Feb 18, 2011, 10:31am
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As the T in 2-person, I'm moving wherever and whenever I need to in order to get good angles and not get straightlined. Period.
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Old Fri Feb 18, 2011, 10:56am
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I avoid using the word hustle as much as possible. The goal of getting into the best position will require a sprint at times and absolutely no movement other times. Some younger officials will hear hustle and think they must always be moving. The end result may be hustling right out of position.
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As the T in 2-person, I'm moving wherever and whenever I need to in order to get good angles and not get straightlined. Period.
I agree.
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