The Official Forum  

Go Back   The Official Forum > Basketball
Register FAQ Community Calendar Today's Posts Search

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old Tue Feb 15, 2011, 10:03pm
I miss being on the floor
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Hartford, WI
Posts: 917
Was told I hustle too much

Had a legitimately fun sophomore boys game tonight. I'd worked with this partner several times already this season, and my assignor would ever allow it, I'd be fine doing all my games with him.

One of his friends was in the stands, a guy who had officiated for a long time. He came into the locker room with us at halftime, and he told me I hustled too much. He didn't mean end-to-end hustle, but he meant in the frontcourt, I moved too much when I was at either position.

Have you all ever been told that before?
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old Tue Feb 15, 2011, 10:07pm
Aleve Titles to Others
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: East Westchester of the Southern Conference
Posts: 5,381
Send a message via AIM to 26 Year Gap
Slow down applies to many things in officiating. Moving to improve can be done deliberately so that you do not look like an electron. See if you can get film of yourself working a game. That is the best way to understand.
__________________
Never hit a piņata if you see hornets flying out of it.
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old Tue Feb 15, 2011, 10:10pm
9/11 - Never Forget
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Northern Virginia
Posts: 5,642
Send a message via Yahoo to grunewar
As L, I have a tendency to close down and then move very quckly across the lane. My partners used to complain about it, but, it's something we discuss in pre-game and I am aware of and need to continue to work on......
__________________
There was the person who sent ten puns to friends, with the hope that at least one of the puns would make them laugh. No pun in ten did.
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old Tue Feb 15, 2011, 10:23pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Iowa
Posts: 62
At a camp once I was told that I needed to square my shoulders to what I'm watching at all times. I responded that my neck is quicker and that my shoulders end up that direction. I was told again to square the shoulders so that (they)could tell where I was watching. What say you guys?????
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old Tue Feb 15, 2011, 11:02pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Aug 1999
Posts: 18,173
Quote:
Originally Posted by River Ref View Post
At a camp once I was told that I needed to square my shoulders to what I'm watching at all times. I responded that my neck is quicker and that my shoulders end up that direction. I was told again to square the shoulders so that (they)could tell where I was watching. What say you guys?????
It's part of comunicating with your crew. It tells your partners that you've "accepted the play" and they can now look off ball.
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old Fri Feb 18, 2011, 09:58am
Lighten up, Francis.
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 4,679
Quote:
Originally Posted by stiffler3492 View Post
he meant in the frontcourt, I moved too much when I was at either position.

Have you all ever been told that before?
Yes, at camp I've been told that I move too much as the Trail. Problem is, I can't seem to stop it. I find that when I stop or even slow down too much, I inevitably end up straight-lined at a bad time. Maybe I just worked too much 2-whistle coming up and got used to moving out to the jump circle and back to the sideline.

In any case, I try (not always successfully, probably) to settle just above the 28' line as Trail and then work 2 steps up to 2 steps down from there. That usually keeps me from jitterbugging too much.
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old Tue Feb 15, 2011, 11:07pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 180
I think my 3rd year reffing I was doing a JVBoys game. I was being evaluated and after the game I was told that even though my calls were correct and I had a good presence on the court, I wasn't sweating enough. I needed to look like I was working more.
I found this funny since at the time I was about 22 years old, probably in the best shape of anyone in our association, and was told this by a 60 yo that retired at the end of that year cause he was too slow to keep up anymore.
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old Tue Feb 15, 2011, 11:11pm
APG APG is offline
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 5,889
Quote:
Originally Posted by Blindolbat View Post
I think my 3rd year reffing I was doing a JVBoys game. I was being evaluated and after the game I was told that even though my calls were correct and I had a good presence on the court, I wasn't sweating enough. I needed to look like I was working more.
I found this funny since at the time I was about 22 years old, probably in the best shape of anyone in our association, and was told this by a 60 yo that retired at the end of that year cause he was too slow to keep up anymore.
Oh to be in one's early 20's and in shape.
__________________
Chaos isn't a pit. Chaos is a ladder. Many who try to climb it fail and never get to try again. The fall breaks them. And some, given a chance to climb, they refuse. They cling to the realm, or the gods, or love. Illusions.

Only the ladder is real. The climb is all there is.

Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)  
Old Wed Feb 16, 2011, 08:42am
Fav theme: Roundball Rock
 
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Near Dog River (sorta)
Posts: 8,558
Quote:
Originally Posted by Blindolbat View Post
I think my 3rd year reffing I was doing a JVBoys game. I was being evaluated and after the game I was told that even though my calls were correct and I had a good presence on the court, I wasn't sweating enough. I needed to look like I was working more.
I found this funny since at the time I was about 22 years old, probably in the best shape of anyone in our association, and was told this by a 60 yo that retired at the end of that year cause he was too slow to keep up anymore.
Wow.... quite possibly the worst advice ever. Toss that advice quicker than that guy thought of it.
__________________
Pope Francis
Reply With Quote
  #10 (permalink)  
Old Wed Feb 16, 2011, 10:01am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Glendale, AZ
Posts: 2,672
Quote:
Originally Posted by Blindolbat View Post
I think my 3rd year reffing I was doing a JVBoys game. I was being evaluated and after the game I was told that even though my calls were correct and I had a good presence on the court, I wasn't sweating enough. I needed to look like I was working more.
I found this funny since at the time I was about 22 years old, probably in the best shape of anyone in our association, and was told this by a 60 yo that retired at the end of that year cause he was too slow to keep up anymore.
If this is all they've got...you were probably doing a pretty good job!
__________________
It's what you learn after you think you know it all that's important!
Reply With Quote
  #11 (permalink)  
Old Wed Feb 16, 2011, 02:28pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Iron City, TN
Posts: 181
Send a message via Skype™ to reffish
Quote:
Originally Posted by River Ref View Post
At a camp once I was told that I needed to square my shoulders to what I'm watching at all times. I responded that my neck is quicker and that my shoulders end up that direction. I was told again to square the shoulders so that (they)could tell where I was watching. What say you guys?????
Don't respond as you did and try to square your shoulders quicker. And smile. And say thank you.
Reply With Quote
  #12 (permalink)  
Old Wed Feb 16, 2011, 02:30pm
Adam's Avatar
Keeper of the HAMMER
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: MST
Posts: 27,190
Quote:
Originally Posted by reffish View Post
Don't respond as you did and try to square your shoulders quicker. And smile. And say thank you.
Yabut!
__________________
Sprinkles are for winners.
Reply With Quote
  #13 (permalink)  
Old Wed Feb 16, 2011, 08:39pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Aug 1999
Location: In the offseason.
Posts: 12,263
Quote:
Originally Posted by River Ref View Post
At a camp once I was told that I needed to square my shoulders to what I'm watching at all times. I responded that my neck is quicker and that my shoulders end up that direction. I was told again to square the shoulders so that (they)could tell where I was watching. What say you guys?????
Squaring your shoulders does make it easier for your partners to see what you're covering so that you don't have no/two/three sets of eyes on the ball. If your shoulders are away, it helps them realize you are not on ball and they better be. If your shoulders are towards the ball, they know you're on ball and it is OK to look elsewhere.
__________________
Owner/Developer of RefTown.com
Commissioner, Portland Basketball Officials Association
Reply With Quote
  #14 (permalink)  
Old Wed Feb 16, 2011, 08:39am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: NE Ohio
Posts: 7,620
Quote:
Originally Posted by stiffler3492 View Post
Had a legitimately fun sophomore boys game tonight. I'd worked with this partner several times already this season, and my assignor would ever allow it, I'd be fine doing all my games with him.

One of his friends was in the stands, a guy who had officiated for a long time. He came into the locker room with us at halftime, and he told me I hustled too much. He didn't mean end-to-end hustle, but he meant in the frontcourt, I moved too much when I was at either position.

Have you all ever been told that before?
I distinguish between hustling and rushing. Hustling is getting into position quickly: knowing where you're supposed to be (during play, time out, intermission, etc.) and getting there with at least a jog.

Rushing is moving too fast: rotating too fast, signaling too fast, hitting the whistle too fast, bailing as Trail before the rebounding is done, etc.

I did not see you work, so I can't tell you what your critic meant. But it's possible he thought that, instead of "moving to improve," you were just moving. Pointless bouncing out to the sideline and back is distracting and, by definition, takes you out of position.

If you have some film take a look and see if you know why you're moving. You can also get some other feedback to see whether other people are seeing the same thing. On the court, try to stand still more as lead, especially when the ball is above the FT line.
__________________
Cheers,
mb
Reply With Quote
  #15 (permalink)  
Old Wed Feb 16, 2011, 02:59pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Velley Forge, PA
Posts: 269
Quote:
Originally Posted by stiffler3492 View Post
Had a legitimately fun sophomore boys game tonight. I'd worked with this partner several times already this season, and my assignor would ever allow it, I'd be fine doing all my games with him.

One of his friends was in the stands, a guy who had officiated for a long time. He came into the locker room with us at halftime, and he told me I hustled too much. He didn't mean end-to-end hustle, but he meant in the frontcourt, I moved too much when I was at either position.

Have you all ever been told that before?
Think two things:

"Economy of movement" and "move with purpose at all times".

Always hustle, but controlled energy looks better.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
So I told her..well show me it then.. wadeintothem Softball 12 Tue Jul 07, 2009 10:46pm
I was told last night... harmbu Baseball 48 Tue Apr 17, 2007 09:32am
No one has ever told me this before... tmp44 Baseball 13 Sun Apr 02, 2006 10:14pm
Why do we want "false hustle"? Long--- Kelvin green Basketball 5 Mon Feb 03, 2003 10:49am
I get to say "I told ya so!" BktBallRef Basketball 7 Mon Sep 30, 2002 10:23am


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:10am.



Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.3.0 RC1