I violated rule #1.....not THAT rule #1

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by RookieDude

How can you RESPECT this guy!

Would anyone respect any coach that came here and made a post like the OP, gloating about how they intimidated and showed up some obviously weak officials while gaining an unfair advantage like icing the shooter at the same time? Judtech was not posting as an official. He was posting as a coach, and as an assistant coach to boot. That he was also an official only compounds the problem imo. Officials should know better.

JMO

[RookieDude]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Would anyone respect any coach that came here and made a post like the OP, gloating about how they intimidated and showed up some obviously weak officials while gaining an unfair advantage like icing the shooter at the same time?
JMO

You are preaching to the Chior Woddy...and if this idiot thought he could find forgiveness in this Church...he came into the wrong sanctuary.

If I was Judtech...I would change my name and start all over again. I, for one, will always see this jerk as a classless, loudmouth, ASSISTANT COACH...that EVEN tried to justify his actions to a REAL group of officials.

Didn't John Wooden say:

"Your REPUTATION is how others PERCEIVE you...your CHARACTER is what you REALLY are."

P.S. Did this guy's wife really use Profanity as the Coach of a bunch of girls? What great role models these two are.

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by RookieDude

You are preaching to the Chior Woddy...and if this idiot thought he could find forgiveness in this Church...he came into the wrong sanctuary.

If I was Judtech...I would change my name and start all over again. I, for one, will always see this jerk as a classless, loudmouth, ASSISTANT COACH...that EVEN tried to justify his actions to a REAL group of officials.

Didn't John Wooden say:

"Your REPUTATION is how others PERCEIVE you...your CHARACTER is what you REALLY are."

P.S. Did this guy's wife really use Profanity as the Coach of a bunch of girls? What great role models these two are.

Maybe she got a scholarship as well. Wonder if that exam I posted a couple days ago is the same one used back in the day?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by RookieDude

P.S. Did this guy's wife really use Profanity as the Coach of a bunch of girls? What great role models these two are.

Look, I'm just as happy to see this a$$. coach taken to the woodshed over this, but:

I'm the father of a girl and I find it offensive that anyone thinks that the standards should be different for a female coach or a coach that is in charge of female players. It's as sexist as it gets.

[chartrusepengui]

Originally Posted by richmsn

look, i'm just as happy to see this a$$. Coach taken to the woodshed over this, but:

I'm the father of a girl and i find it offensive that anyone thinks that the standards should be different for a female coach or a coach that is in charge of female players. It's as sexist as it gets.

+1

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Look, I'm just as happy to see this a$$. coach taken to the woodshed over this, but:

I'm the father of a girl and I find it offensive that anyone thinks that the standards should be different for a female coach or a coach that is in charge of female players. It's as sexist as it gets.

Agree. Judge the actions. I can't speak for him but I don't think that Dan meant it that way though.

[RookieDude]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Look, I'm just as happy to see this a$$. coach taken to the woodshed over this, but:

I'm the father of a girl and I find it offensive that anyone thinks that the standards should be different for a female coach or a coach that is in charge of female players. It's as sexist as it gets.

...fair enough.

Would you be happier if I changed it to "... ANY coach using profanity in front of a group of girls and boys."?

I just think it is bushleague to use profanity when coaching KIDS (girls or boys). If a Father or Mother wants to use a few choice words, in private, so be it...but, to be in a position of authority, in public, and in front of kids that their parents may not want such language used...shows a lack of respect for everyone around. JMHO.



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[Loudwhistle]

[QUOTE=RookieDude;721991]...fair enough.

Would you be happier if I changed it to "... ANY coach using profanity in front of a group of girls and boys."? (This is exactly what I thought you meant.)

I just think it is bushleague to use profanity when coaching KIDS (girls or boys). If a Father or Mother wants to use a few choice words, in private, so be it...but, to be in a position of authority, in public, and in front of kids that their parents may not want such language used...shows a lack of respect for everyone around. JMHO.

+1

[Rich]

Originally Posted by RookieDude

...fair enough.

Would you be happier if I changed it to "... ANY coach using profanity in front of a group of girls and boys."?

Personally, I think it belittles any adult to use that language around kids. I can get through the toughest of games on the court without using profanity, so the coaches should be able to, as well.

So I guess it means that I may not punish the coach for doing it, but I certainly think less of them and their lazy vocabulary.

[RookieDude]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Personally, I think it belittles any adult to use that language around kids. I can get through the toughest of games on the court without using profanity, so the coaches should be able to, as well.

So I guess it means that I may not punish the coach for doing it, but I certainly think less of them and their lazy vocabulary.

+1

...and I gotta tell ya Rich...if a coach uses profanity DIRECTED AT ME...then I deal with it in a much different manner than the coach cursing around the kids.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by richmsn

personally, i think it belittles any adult to use that language around kids. I can get through the toughest of games on the court without using profanity, so the coaches should be able to, as well.

So i guess it means that i may not punish the coach for doing it, but i certainly think less of them and their lazy vocabulary.

+1

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by RookieDude

I just think it is bushleague to use profanity when coaching KIDS (girls or boys). If a Father or Mother wants to use a few choice words, in private, so be it...but, to be in a position of authority, in public, and in front of kids that their parents may not want such language used...shows a lack of respect for everyone around. JMHO.

You definitely wouldn't enjoy officiating football.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

You definitely wouldn't enjoy officiating football.

Heh heh. No kidding.

[RookieDude]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

You definitely wouldn't enjoy officiating football.

...possibly...but, as an ex-teacher/coach I LOVED coaching football. In fact, it was my favorite sport to coach.

Originally Posted by Indianaref

This post (and many others) is one of the reasons that I have a enormous respect for you. Thank you.

...Indianaref is talking about JR (Woddy)...you know this guy is going to have your back...I, like many here, would appreciate working for him.

I don't know...some people need a slap on the back (for a good job) and some people need a slap on the a$$ (for a bad job). I think JR, again like many here, will give you either one...it depends on what you need. I know I've had my share of spankings...and I hope I learned from them.

Jud...you've been spanked. Now, what you do with it depends on you.

[Judtech]

Originally Posted by RookieDude

You are preaching to the Chior Woddy...and if this idiot thought he could find forgiveness in this Church...he came into the wrong sanctuary.

If I was Judtech...I would change my name and start all over again. I, for one, will always see this jerk as a classless, loudmouth, ASSISTANT COACH...that EVEN tried to justify his actions to a REAL group of officials.

Didn't John Wooden say:

"Your REPUTATION is how others PERCEIVE you...your CHARACTER is what you REALLY are."

P.S. Did this guy's wife really use Profanity as the Coach of a bunch of girls? What great role models these two are.

Your quote is spot on. Your PS is a tad off. (Dont take this as accusatory, these are just 'big picture" questions intended to make people think. I use the word "you" in its plural sense):
How do you judge ones character? Would anyone like to have their character called into question b/c of one incident/mistake? People are far to eager to rush to judgement, make personal attacks and impune character of people they either don't know or limited if any information about. To use your words. You call me a jerk and classless loudmouth assistant coach. How do you know that? Of the 150+ games my wife and I have coached together, do you know how many incidents like this I have had? That answer would be a better judge of character then this one thread. Do you know how my association feels about my bench behavior? Have you seen my interaction with other officials at games
I coach or not? What disqualifies me as a "Real" official in your mind? These admitted inappropriate actions? Or do you know my body of work with which to make this decision?
You make a point about my wifes use of language. Do you know how often she swears? (at me doesn't count, b/c sometimes it is too cold to take out the garbage) Yet you write her off as a bad role model for female athletes. Do you do the same for Pat Summit C Vivian Stringer Geno or Tara Van DeVeer? Do you know her background? Do you know the types of players that we work with?

Maybe I just live in Mambi Pambi land, but I don't pass character judgement on anyone on this board (even Jurassic) b/c I don't know you personaly. I look at the mistakes people bring to this board as just that, mistakes, not windows into their soul and character. Do we judge all peoples character by actions they wish they hand't commited?