I violated rule #1.....not THAT rule #1

[Judtech]

Forgive me board for I have "sorta" sinned. It has been......lets just say a long time since my last confession...
Intersting game Saturday. I actaully verbally criticized an official from my Assistant Coach perch!! Here are the plays:
1. V1 strips the ball, as it rolls on the floor V1 tries to pick it up but it keeps rolling. TRAVEL. "You can't travel if you don't have possesion" Ofc1: "Once she touches it she has possesion."
2. H1 drives to the basket V1 guarding. H1 lowers shoulder and puts V1 into the wall. No call. "Why was there no call? She lowered her shoulder" Ofc2: "They were running side by side when the girl put her shoulder down so no call". ME: "You might want to check LGP in your rule book at half time"
3. H ball. Deflection. H1 takes 2 dribbles in front court, crosses line, and one dribble in back court before returning. No over and back. OFC1: " She didn't have possession" ME: "According to you she did. She "Touched" the ball in front court before going to the back court" Later, same play, but V1 takes one dribble then steps in back court. OFC3 makes the CORRECT call. Wife YELLS across court to first official "That is the same call YOU screwed up. Maybe you should take notes from this guy!" OFC: "I know the rules. I don't need any help" "You don't know s*$%!" with a nice foot stomp for good measure.She got the T!
4. While administering the T. I direct two of our players to stand on the 3 point line behind the shooter. OFC1 blows the whistle and tells our girls to get back behind the line. I tell them to stay exactly where they are and don't tmove (The girls LOVED that) After some back and forth OFC1 tells us we have to move the girls back. I ask him why? He says it is the rules and if we dont' he will eject the head coach. I stood up and asked him in an even voice. "Are you 100% sure you are right? Because if you toss her, you have to send in paperwork. How embarrassed are you going to be when you find out that you ejected a coach becasue YOU don't know the rules." OFC1 "I don't need a lecture on the rules from an Assistant Coach" ME: "Then you make the call, b/c our girls aint moving". OFC3 comes over and huddles them together. Our girls stay. And yes it had the desired affect of freezing their shooter as she proceeded to miss her second shot!

After the game OFC3 comes and apologizes to me about the rules that were kicked. I told him that is fine, at the end of the day you can only be responsible for the calls YOU make and he made the right call on the OandB as well as the T administration. It also helped that we won after being outshot on the FT line by 35. Leading a double life can be so confusing!

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Judtech

4. While administering the T. I direct two of our players to stand on the 3 point line behind the shooter. OFC1 blows the whistle and tells our girls to get back behind the line. I tell them to stay exactly where they are and don't tmove (The girls LOVED that) After some back and forth OFC1 tells us we have to move the girls back. I ask him why? He says it is the rules and if we dont' he will eject the head coach. I stood up and asked him in an even voice. "Are you 100% sure you are right? Because if you toss her, you have to send in paperwork. How embarrassed are you going to be when you find out that you ejected a coach becasue YOU don't know the rules." OFC1 "I don't need a lecture on the rules from an Assistant Coach" ME: "Then you make the call, b/c our girls aint moving". OFC3 comes over and huddles them together. Our girls stay. And yes it had the desired affect of freezing their shooter as she proceeded to miss her second shot!

Maybe I shouldn't, but I absolutely love this sequence. Probably should have added a T for the mouthy assistant, but I still love it.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by Judtech

Wife YELLS across court to first official "That is the same call YOU screwed up. Maybe you should take notes from this guy!"

Your wife is lucky she didn't get whacked for this one.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Welpe

Your wife is lucky she didn't get whacked for this one.

Nah, she was shooting for the T here, or she wouldn't have followed it up like she did.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Nah, she was shooting for the T here, or she wouldn't have followed it up like she did.

I know it, which is why the officials need to get the first one before she says something to get her tossed.

[Freddy]

Oh, that's your wife. I didn't know that was your team last Saturday. Introduce yourself by your screen name next time.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Judtech

Forgive me board for I have "sorta" sinned. It has been......lets just say a long time since my last confession...
Intersting game Saturday. I actaully verbally criticized an official from my Assistant Coach perch!! Here are the plays:
1. V1 strips the ball, as it rolls on the floor V1 tries to pick it up but it keeps rolling. TRAVEL. "You can't travel if you don't have possesion" Ofc1: "Once she touches it she has possesion."
2. H1 drives to the basket V1 guarding. H1 lowers shoulder and puts V1 into the wall. No call. "Why was there no call? She lowered her shoulder" Ofc2: "They were running side by side when the girl put her shoulder down so no call". ME: "You might want to check LGP in your rule book at half time"
3. H ball. Deflection. H1 takes 2 dribbles in front court, crosses line, and one dribble in back court before returning. No over and back. OFC1: " She didn't have possession" ME: "According to you she did. She "Touched" the ball in front court before going to the back court" Later, same play, but V1 takes one dribble then steps in back court. OFC3 makes the CORRECT call. Wife YELLS across court to first official "That is the same call YOU screwed up. Maybe you should take notes from this guy!" OFC: "I know the rules. I don't need any help" "You don't know s*$%!" with a nice foot stomp for good measure.She got the T!
4. While administering the T. I direct two of our players to stand on the 3 point line behind the shooter. OFC1 blows the whistle and tells our girls to get back behind the line. I tell them to stay exactly where they are and don't tmove (The girls LOVED that) After some back and forth OFC1 tells us we have to move the girls back. I ask him why? He says it is the rules and if we dont' he will eject the head coach. I stood up and asked him in an even voice. "Are you 100% sure you are right? Because if you toss her, you have to send in paperwork. How embarrassed are you going to be when you find out that you ejected a coach becasue YOU don't know the rules." OFC1 "I don't need a lecture on the rules from an Assistant Coach" ME: "Then you make the call, b/c our girls aint moving". OFC3 comes over and huddles them together. Our girls stay. And yes it had the desired affect of freezing their shooter as she proceeded to miss her second shot!

After the game OFC3 comes and apologizes to me about the rules that were kicked. I told him that is fine, at the end of the day you can only be responsible for the calls YOU make and he made the right call on the OandB as well as the T administration. It also helped that we won after being outshot on the FT line by 35. Leading a double life can be so confusing!

How come all your comments came after calls/non-calls that went against your team? How come no plays where the Home team got screwed followed by you questioning their calls? Plus add on that you were an assistant coach and you shouldn't have been engaging the officials in any conversations nor should you have been standing up telling your player where to stand. (And don't give any cock-n-bull about sitting down during that sequence.) Your wife is the HC, why don't you let her fight her own battles?

IMO, the way you handled it you were just being a jerk. That's my take.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by Judtech

H1 lowers shoulder and puts V1 into the wall. No call. "Why was there no call? She lowered her shoulder" Ofc2: "They were running side by side when the girl put her shoulder down so no call". ME: "You might want to check LGP in your rule book at half time"

This one throws me a bit.

Just because the dribbler/shooter lowers a shoulder does not mean the defender has LGP. That has to be obtained and maintained. If they were indeed running side-by-side, it's kind of hard to obtain LGP.

Granted, you can still commit a player control foul without the defender having LGP (extended appendage), but I've yet to see "lowering the shoulder" in the rule book. I think this one is a matter of judgment.

[Loudwhistle]

I would have warned your wife about AC comments at step one and then wacked you on the next comment whether you were right about a rule or not!

[tref]

Why did they have so much dialog with this guy? Maybe they thought he was the HC & she was the assistant...

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bainsey

This one throws me a bit.

Just because the dribbler/shooter lowers a shoulder does not mean the defender has LGP. That has to be obtained and maintained. If they were indeed running side-by-side, it's kind of hard to obtain LGP.

Granted, you can still commit a player control foul without the defender having LGP (extended appendage), but I've yet to see "lowering the shoulder" in the rule book. I think this one is a matter of judgment.

Look up the part about maintaining it, not obtaining it.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

IMO, the way you handled it you were just being a jerk. That's my take.

Agree. That type of behavior isn't something to be proud of, no matter how bad the officials were. It's unprofessional as hell. If one of our guys does something like this while he's coaching, we tell him to pick an avocation because we ain't gonna let him ride our officials, especially as an assistant coach.

[Treeguy]

Originally Posted by Judtech

M I direct two of our players to stand on the 3 point line behind the shooter.

Fogive me if I am wrong, but shouldn't the players be behind the tree point line and not on it? I read a comment yesterday that if you are touching the three point line, you are considered inside the three point line.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Agree. That type of behavior isn't something to be proud of, no matter how bad the officials were. It's unprofessional as hell. If one of our guys does something like this while he's coaching, we tell him to pick an avocation because we ain't gonna let him ride our officials, especially as an assistant coach.

Gotta agree with this...not sure how Judtech's actions made the situation any better. And if I'm on this game, no way an AC gets to take that many shots at my crew.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Look up the part about maintaining it, not obtaining it.

NFHS 4-23-3? I don't see "shoulder" anywhere. Or did you mean elsewhere?