Inadvertent Kick on Throw In

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

If dribbling and traveling rules don't apply OOB, what makes you think that deliberately kicking the ball should?

The only reason the dribbling and traveling rules don't apply is that there's a NOTE that specifically tells us they don't apply. Have you found such a note that refers to kicking violations?

Would you call a thrower for fisting the ball to a teammate in-bounds too?

I personally would only call it if the throw-in was closely contested and there was a possibility that the fist might connect with an opponent. But I believe that by rule, it would be a violation.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

1) only reason the dribbling and traveling rules don't apply is that there's a NOTE that specifically tells us they don't apply. Have you found such a note that refers to kicking violations?

2) I personally would only call it if the throw-in was closely contested and there was a possibility that the fist might connect with an opponent. But I believe that by rule, it would be a violation.

Have you found anything under 9.2 that refers to kicking or fisting the ball as being a violation by the thrower? How do I know what the full intent of the Rules Committee was when it came to exceptions to the throw-in rules? Maybe they just didn't have room ...or reason...to list them all.

2) And that leads me to an additional point. Afaik both kicking and fisting the ball were implemented mainly as safety rules(with kicking also giving a defender an advantage not meant by specific rule). They were put in the book to stop an act that could possibly endanger another player. Well, on a throw-in by rule the opponents have to be in-bounds....not OOB. As do the thrower's team mates on a spot throw-in. Team mates can be OOB on an unrestricted end-line throw-in but is there any reason to kick the ball to a team mate standing right next to you? And if the team mate is at the other end of the end line, where's the chance of injury. The safety factor is just not a factor when it comes to the thrower imo.

[Indianaref]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

And if the team mate is at the other end of the end line, where's the chance of injury. The safety factor is just not a factor when it comes to the thrower imo.

How bout a shank?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Indianaref

How bout a shank?

Good question. What if the player was a Sikh carrying a kirpan? What would you do?

Me? I just became the U.

[Indianaref]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Good question. What if the player was a Sikh carrying a kirpan? What would you do?

Now were are off topic for sure.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Indianaref

Now were are off topic for sure.

Religious medals are legal if taped and covered by the uniform. Right? What's the difference?

Heeheeheehee......

[Adam]

Disagree with the safety factor on the kick; as well as the advantage. It's not soccer. A contested throwin would have the defender in danger if the thrower was allowed to punt the ball. Also, the ability to punt the ball would be a distinct advantage for a tired player or a player with a weaker throwing arm. Bring in your soccer star and have him punt the throwin down court.

If B1 was contesting the throwin and A1 decided to start swinging his elbows to back him off; would you call it? What if A2 started doing it, during the throwin, to clear space for him to receive a pass.

Finally, why is it a violation for B1 to kick the ball "during" the throwin if it's not a violation for A1 to do it?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

1)If B1 was contesting the throwin and A1 decided to start swinging his elbows to back him off; would you call it? What if A2 started doing it, during the throwin, to clear space for him to receive a pass.

2) Finally, why is it a violation for B1 to kick the ball "during" the throwin if it's not a violation for A1 to do it?

1) Um, I wouldn't allow B1 to get OOB while contesting the throw-in. We got rules to cover that situation. And all the thrower has to do is take a step back if a defender crowds the line legally.

2) It's a violation for any player in-bounds to kick a throw-in, isn't it? But I can't see any rule either way anywhere saying the thrower OOB has similar restrictions.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

1) Um, I wouldn't allow B1 to get OOB while contesting the throw-in. We got rules to cover that situation. And all the thrower has to do is take a step back if a defender crowds the line legally.

2) It's a violation for any player in-bounds to kick a throw-in, isn't it? But I can't see any rule either way anywhere saying the thrower OOB has similar restrictions.

1. Sure, that's all he has to do; but you and I both know they don't always take the easiest route. The question is, is it a violation?

2) The exception in 6-1 (thanks scrappy) doesn't specify that the thrower is the only one exempt. It says "during these situations."

The question is, do other violations apply during a throwin?