Inadvertent Kick on Throw In

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

That's not a kick, fellas.

Yup, I think that you should treat that one the same as a fumble as per case play 9.2.1SitB(a). We're arguing the alternative. Deliberate kick by the thrower.

[Indianaref]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Good question. What if the player was a Sikh carrying a kirpan? What would you do?

Now were are off topic for sure.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Indianaref

Now were are off topic for sure.

Religious medals are legal if taped and covered by the uniform. Right? What's the difference?

Heeheeheehee......

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

1) Um, I wouldn't allow B1 to get OOB while contesting the throw-in. We got rules to cover that situation. And all the thrower has to do is take a step back if a defender crowds the line legally.

2) It's a violation for any player in-bounds to kick a throw-in, isn't it? But I can't see any rule either way anywhere saying the thrower OOB has similar restrictions.

1. Sure, that's all he has to do; but you and I both know they don't always take the easiest route. The question is, is it a violation?

2) The exception in 6-1 (thanks scrappy) doesn't specify that the thrower is the only one exempt. It says "during these situations."

The question is, do other violations apply during a throwin?

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Nope, JR is wondering whether what we're arguing is definitively covered by rule. I'm not sure it is.

It's sounds like a job for the good ol' 2-3 fallback.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bainsey

It's sounds like a job for the good ol' 2-3 fallback.

I'm with scrappy, there's no need for 2-3 here; it's covered by the rules. In the absence of a rule telling me kicked-ball rules don't apply to the thrower on a throwin, it's a violation.

The rule doesn't say the thrower is exempt from all violations not noted in 9-2, it states two specific violations that don't apply "during throwins."

JR's making the same argument some of us made a few years ago with regard to the backcourt violation exceptions; before the NFHS shot us down by telling us that the exceptions noted were all inclusive.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

What's your opinion of case book play of 9.2.2SitB(a) then where we're directed to re-set if the ball is fumbled forward? It doesn't say how much forward or how far forward or whether the ball went forwards in-bounds or not, just that we should re-set. Would you treat an inadvertently kicked ball differently? I wouldn't. And if you would, I'd appreciate a cite.

NFHS rules. Not sure if it's definitively covered under NCAA rules.

Is that the right cite? I can't seem to find it in my 2010-2011 case book.

There is 9.2.1B (a), but here, it's not a fumble, it's a muff. And, that's completely different.

9.2.1B (b) is a fumble -- and a violation, but not really relevant to the play.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Yup, I think that you should treat that one the same as a fumble as per case play 9.2.1SitB(a). We're arguing the alternative. Deliberate kick by the thrower.

A fumble is accidental, and it makes sense to reset, per the rule.

A kick is an intentional act, and is a violation when the ball is live. I'm with Scrapper here.

Why would the rules permit a player to kick the ball during a THROW-in?

[BillyMac]

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