Inadvertent Kick on Throw In

[LeeBallanfant]

NCAA rules:
A1 handed ball for throw in, bounces ball to set up a play. Ball inadvertently goes off his foot and into the court in play.
Would this be:
A) Violation for failure to throw ball directly into court
B) Treated as a fumble and returned to A1 for another throwin
C) Legal

[BktBallRef]

As long as it goes off his foot and next hits inbounds, it's nothing.

[Nevadaref]

I suspect this is the ruling that you are most likely to see applied to the situation which you pose:

Throw-in
A.R. 178. A1, on a throw-in from a designated spot, fumbles. A1 leaves
the designated spot to retrieve the fumble. Is this a violation?
RULING: No. Since there was a fumble, the official shall blow his/
her whistle, which causes the ball to become dead, and then shall readminister
the throw-in.
(Rule 4-31.1 and 7-6.5)

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

As long as it goes off his foot and next hits inbounds, it's nothing.

Imo I think you have to judge whether it was a throw-in pass or a fumble. Both the NFHS and NCAA use similar language for a legal throw-in. They both say that the thrower has to release the ball on a pass directly into the court. If you judged that the thrower intended to kick the ball into the court, I'd agree it was nothing. If you instead judged that the the thrower inadvertantly kicked the ball, I'd go with Nevada's ruling.

But that's just me.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Imo I think you have to judge whether it was a throw-in pass or a fumble. Both the NFHS and NCAA use similar language for a legal throw-in. They both say that the thrower has to release the ball on a pass directly into the court. If you judged that the thrower intended to kick the ball into the court, I'd agree it was nothing. If you instead judged that the the thrower inadvertantly kicked the ball, I'd go with Nevada's ruling.

But that's just me.

Now I'm just axin', but wouldn't this qualify as a kicked ball? 9-4?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Now I'm just axin', but wouldn't this qualify as a kicked ball? 9-4?

Nope, you consider it the same as the thrower dribbling the ball OOB. Would you call an illegal second dribble on a thrower if they dribbled the ball, caught it and dribbled it again?

Case book play 9.2.2SitD

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Nope, you consider it the same as the thrower dribbling the ball OOB. Would you call an illegal second dribble on a thrower if they dribbled the ball, caught it and dribbled it again?

Case book play 9.2.2SitD

Apples and stereos.

Of course I wouldn't call an illegal dribble. Fundamental #5, dribbling or traveling rules do not apply during a throw-in, jump ball, or free throw.

It says nothing of kicked ball rules, and your post mentioned the player intentionally kicking the ball in as his throw-in pass.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Nope, you consider it the same as the thrower dribbling the ball OOB. Would you call an illegal second dribble on a thrower if they dribbled the ball, caught it and dribbled it again?

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

WHAT??? Intentionally kicking the ball is NOT a violation???

This sounds to me like a question of player/team control.

There must be control in order for a travel or illegal dribble violation to occur. Must there also be control for a kick violation?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by LeeBallanfant

NCAA rules:
A1 handed ball for throw in, bounces ball to set up a play. Ball inadvertently goes off his foot and into the court in play.
Would this be:
A) Violation for failure to throw ball directly into court
B) Treated as a fumble and returned to A1 for another throwin
C) Legal

In the specific play you ask (the ball never touches the floor OOB), then the play is legal (at least so far). It's the same as if the ball is "fumbled" and lands inbounds -- that's the throw-in and play on and a vioaltion if A1 is the first to touch the ball.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by LeeBallanfant

"...Ball inadvertently goes off his foot..."

That's not a kick, fellas.

There's no such thing as an inadvertent kick. Kicking is an intentional act.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

That's not a kick, fellas.

Yup, I think that you should treat that one the same as a fumble as per case play 9.2.1SitB(a). We're arguing the alternative. Deliberate kick by the thrower.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Yup, I think that you should treat that one the same as a fumble as per case play 9.2.1SitB(a). We're arguing the alternative. Deliberate kick by the thrower.

A fumble is accidental, and it makes sense to reset, per the rule.

A kick is an intentional act, and is a violation when the ball is live. I'm with Scrapper here.

Why would the rules permit a player to kick the ball during a THROW-in?

[BillyMac]

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