NCAA question

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Tio

I know it is confusing, but the NCAA diffentiates a Charge vs. Player control foul...

It's not confusing, just different. And it's NCAA-M, not all NCAA.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Tio

I know it is confusing, but the NCAA diffentiates a Charge vs. Player control foul...

A charge refers to the situation where there is a release and crash. The player control refers to when there is contact before the release.

I was really confused by the plays in the casebook and this terminology. The rules folks should probably look at the word choice and make it clearer.

Originally Posted by mbyron

It's not confusing, just different. And it's NCAA-M, not all NCAA.

To be even more precise, "charges" cover only a portion of PC fouls, and PC fouls only cover a portion of "charging" fouls. The terms "charge" and "player control" are not interchangeable.

[Tio]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

To be even more precise, "charges" cover only a portion of PC fouls, and PC fouls only cover a portion of "charging" fouls. The terms "charge" and "player control" are not interchangeable.

No... there is no player control on a release and then a crash. This is what the NCAA men's casebook refers to as a Charge.

It is really confusing.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Tio

No... there is no player control on a release and then a crash. This is what the NCAA men's casebook refers to as a Charge.

It is really confusing.

True, but slightly off my point.
A charge does not require player control, it doesn't even require the player ever had the ball or be on offense. Example: A2 sets a screen and B1 plows through it. This is a charging foul.

Some rebounding fouls are also charges.

[Tio]

Has anyone ever heard someone call a player running through a screen a charge? I'm not buying.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Tio

Has anyone ever heard someone call a player running through a screen a charge? I'm not buying.

10-6-1
Signal's the same as push, though, so you'd never know with most officials.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Tio

Has anyone ever heard someone call a player running through a screen a charge? I'm not buying.

Me.

[Adam]

Forgot to add; me too.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Tio

Has anyone ever heard someone call a player running through a screen a charge? I'm not buying.

Yes, unless you're (mistakenly) equating "charge" with "PC foul"

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Yes, unless you're (mistakenly) equating "charge" with "PC foul"

And I'd bet that is more common than not, even among officials (unfortunately).