T after game ended

[bbcof83]

Originally Posted by Coach Bill

...Just to mention a couple I've been T'ed for arguing:

1. Ref calls the ball out of bounds when it hits the side of backboard.
2. Ref calls the ball out of bounds when it hits the top (not the support).
3. Ref gives the ball underneath when intentional foul called at half-court.
4. Ref gives the ball at half court when intentional foul called underneath basket (more common). They administer as if it was a T.
5. Ref says team control foul (no free throws) on a push on a rebound. He insists team maintains team control while shot is in air.

Maybe you should try a new approach to your argument when you know you're right. It takes A LOT for the average official to T up a coach if there's even a slight chance the coach may be right. JMO

Then again, 1-5 are all mistakes that are made mostly at the lower levels so perhaps you're just dealing with inexperienced officials.

[Coach Bill]

Originally Posted by bbcof83

Maybe you should try a new approach to your argument when you know you're right. It takes A LOT for the average official to T up a coach if there's even a slight chance the coach may be right. JMO

Then again, 1-5 are all mistakes that are made mostly at the lower levels so perhaps you're just dealing with inexperienced officials.

It's AAU where I see these errors made, so I'm sure you're right. And, yes I do need to work on a new approach. One approach I abandoned before even trying it, was bringing out the rulebook. I'm open to suggestions.

[Adam]

Sadly, that might actually work at that level with officials who don't know any better.

[bbcof83]

Originally Posted by Coach Bill

It's AAU where I see these errors made, so I'm sure you're right. And, yes I do need to work on a new approach. One approach I abandoned before even trying it, was bringing out the rulebook. I'm open to suggestions.

You're rarely going to succeed in convincing an official, at least at the time of the infraction/during the run of play, that you are right and they should change their call. You can voice your disagreement and calmly tell them why but any type of carrying on or demonstrative action puts you at risk of getting the business.

The rulebook thing may not be a terrible idea to try at half time or after the game IF you had a good rapport with crew during the game. Make sure to do it discretely and respectfully (no "I told you so"s) and I believe most officials would be open to hearing what you have to say.

Originally Posted by Coach Bill

I'm open to suggestions.

First of all, I appreciate coaches like yourself who know their rules!!
Beats the heck out of the freshman coach I had last night who says his player was fouled because he was contacted on his hand during the shot
Wish I would've handled that in a better way, but that's another story.

I wouldn't bring out a rulebook during halftime or right after the game. Instead I'd try this approach:

"This is your ballgame to manage, with all due respect, I think your ruling is incorrect. If we can discuss it later I'm willing to put a steak dinner of MY choice on the line."

[Coach Bill]

Originally Posted by Ch1town

First of all, I appreciate coaches like yourself who know their rules!!
Beats the heck out of the freshman coach I had last night who says his player was fouled because he was contacted on his hand during the shot
Wish I would've handled that in a better way, but that's another story.

I wouldn't bring out a rulebook during halftime or right after the game. Instead I'd try this approach:

"This is your ballgame to manage, with all due respect, I think your ruling is incorrect. If we can discuss it later I'm willing to put a steak dinner of MY choice on the line."

I like that. I don't get the call changed, but I never was going to anyway, and the situation is diffused, calming myself down.

And, as far as bringing out the rulebook, the one time I made a move to get the rulebook out, I was told very sternly:

"You bring that rulebook out, and we're gonna have a problem".

It wasn't a physical threat (I think), but a "you're gonna get tossed" threat. I posted that story on here awhile back, and everyone made it very clear that the rulebook is a big no-no.

[Adam]

Right, for a variety of reasons, it's a no-no in basketball. With me, a smile and a "I think you're wrong on that rule," if said quietly and discretely, might work. It won't change a call or ruling, but it will spur me to check the book later.

[Amesman]

Originally Posted by Ch1town

Beats the heck out of the freshman coach I had last night who says his player was fouled because he was contacted on his hand during the shot
Wish I would've handled that in a better way, but that's another story.
[/I]

OK, Ch1, the floor is yours. We don't run out of paper or ink on this here Internet thing.

Okay but I'm embarassed about it. So for a summer league, coach is kind of loud & vocal about me "missing the foul". My first mistake was addressing it during a live ball in transition

I ask him where did he get him at?
He says on the hand, didn't you hear it
I say you must not be the HEAD freshman coach... because contact on the hand while a player is shooting is not a foul... while they are holding the ball or dribbling the ball either for that matter. (in a not so calm manner)

He didn't say another word for the whole game, he barely coached his kids. I think I embarassed him in front of his kids & I'm not too proud of that. It was unacceptable to my standards & disrespectful... even though he was out of line & wrong (my pet peeve). But someday he'll be a head varsity or NCAA coach.
I plan to apologize to him when I work there next Wednesday.

[SmokeEater]

A local University Assistant Coach, who is the Varsity Head Coach at a high school where I work called me over this season after a call.

She said, "I know you made the call the way you saw it and thats fine. I understand the ruling to be this. She proceeded to make a short statement about her interp. She concluded to say I would appreciate it if you could look it up and get back to me in case I am mistaken."

I tell you she was a class act, made the whole situation be about making sure we both were understanding the call. I looked up the ruling at half time and found out that what I had called was correct but how I adminsitered after the call was incorrect.

She thanked me for looking and said not many would do that and tell her what they found.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by SmokeEater

She said, "I know you made the call the way you saw it and thats fine. I understand the ruling to be this. She proceeded to make a short statement about her interp. She concluded to say I would appreciate it if you could look it up and get back to me in case I am mistaken."

That's usually the approach that works for (on) me. If it's during the game, maybe a polite request to check with the other officials on the rule.