Charging + count the basket

[mbyron]

A foul after the airborne shooter returns to the floor would not be a PC foul, since player control ends when the shooter returns to the floor. Nor would it be an offensive foul, since team control ended with the try. So count the bucket if good, and the (former) shooter gets a common foul.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by mbyron

A foul after the airborne shooter returns to the floor would not be a PC foul, since player control ends when the shooter returns to the floor. Nor would it be an offensive foul, since team control ended with the try. So count the bucket if good, and the (former) shooter gets a common foul.

... and maybe some free throws for the "foulee" if the other team is in the bonus.

[Texas Aggie]

It isn't a player control foul, but it is a charging foul (the two are not synonymous).

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by Texas Aggie

It isn't a player control foul, but it is a charging foul (the two are not synonymous).

Yeah I figured it wasn't a PC foul, and I figured it would be a charging foul or a pushing foul. Thanks for the clarification everyone.

[CMHCoachNRef]

Originally Posted by mbyron

A foul after the airborne shooter returns to the floor would not be a PC foul, since player control ends when the shooter returns to the floor. Nor would it be an offensive foul, since team control ended with the try. So count the bucket if good, and the (former) shooter gets a common foul.

Unless, of course, the ball has already gone through the basket BEFORE the contact is made by the formerly airborne, former shooter. In this case, the contact is either ignored or deemed to be intentional and/or flagrant. Since the ball becomes dead after the basket, a personal foul cannot be called.....

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by CMHCoachNRef

Unless, of course, the ball has already gone through the basket BEFORE the contact is made by the formerly airborne, former shooter. In this case, the contact is either ignored or deemed to be intentional and/or flagrant. Since the ball becomes dead after the basket, a personal foul cannot be called.

Good point. Boy, the rules have sure become much more complicated since Dr. Naismith's original thirteen rules. I blame Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. for suggesting these complex changes to Dr. Naismith.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Good point. Boy, the rules have sure become much more complicated since Dr. Naismith's original thirteen rules. I blame Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. for suggesting these complex changes to Dr. Naismith.

And cars are more complex than the horse and buggies that dominated the transportation industry when the good Dr. was inventing a game for gym class. Your point??

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by mbyron

A foul after the airborne shooter returns to the floor would not be a PC foul, since player control ends when the shooter returns to the floor. Nor would it be an offensive foul, since team control ended with the try. So count the bucket if good, and the (former) shooter gets a common foul.

Technically, that's not true, but that is effectively the way that this specific situation is administered.

Actually, player control and team control both end when the try is released. Not all player control fouls are committed by players who are in control of the ball. Many are committed by airborne shooters. Common fouls by airborne shooters are included in the player control foul rule.

I wouldn't want you to think that player control really continues after the release of a try because if a teammate of the shooter were to foul while the player was an airborne shooter, you would incorrectly conclude that this would be a team control foul.