Double Whistle Situation

[walter]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

While I am of the same opinion as you, the rules (case plays) tell us EXPLICITLY that when officials give differing signals, you assess both as a double foul. It doesn't matter at all whether I am of this OPINION or not.

And as for selling it, it's amazingly easy. You just start the sentence by saying, "Coach, BY RULE. . ."

I had this twice last season (yikes!!!) in two different games. I was working with the same official who just refuses to refrain from giving preliminary signals whether it is in his primary or not and it got us in trouble on two bang, bang, got it sell it calls in my primary (lead). Regardless, I got both coaches together and did just what Scrapper suggested, "Coaches, by rule, we have a double foul situation..." In both games (one a playoff game), the coaches accepted the explanantion and we went on from POI. I pregame this every time no matter the level of game or experience of partner(s). This one official just refuses and gives a prelim on every call.

[TravelinMan]

Scrapper, M&M - good explanation, thanks. I will add that to my pregame.

[TravelinMan]

Walter, thanks. Will add that (hold up on prelim signal) to my pre-game as well.

[eyezen]

Originally Posted by TravelinMan

Walter, thanks. Will add that (hold up on prelim signal) to my pre-game as well.

Yes, its called "blow and hold" and its one of the best tools you can have in your toolbag.

[CoachP]

Originally Posted by walter

I had this twice last season (yikes!!!) in two different games. I was working with the same official who just refuses to refrain from giving preliminary signals whether it is in his primary or not and it got us in trouble on two bang, bang, got it sell it calls in my primary (lead). Regardless, I got both coaches together and did just what Scrapper suggested, "Coaches, by rule, we have a double foul situation..." In both games (one a playoff game), the coaches accepted the explanantion and we went on from POI. I pregame this every time no matter the level of game or experience of partner(s). This one official just refuses and gives a prelim on every call.

I thought double foul (and Double T)= arrow?

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by CoachP

I thought double foul (and Double T)= arrow?

POI (which might be arrow, might not)

[CoachP]

Originally Posted by Smitty

POI (which might be arrow, might not)

So what's the POI on the infamous blarge? Lead has a PC and C has a block?

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by CoachP

So what's the POI on the infamous blarge? Lead has a PC and C has a block?

Rule 4-36. If there was team control, then ball is given to the team last in control at the time of the double foul.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by CoachP

So what's the POI on the infamous blarge? Lead has a PC and C has a block?

Depends if there is a shot released prior to contact or not.

And yes, if the shot is released first, the basket will count and B will get the ball for an end-line throwin. (assuming it's made)

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Depends if there is a shot released prior to contact or not.

And yes, if the shot is released first, the basket will count and B will get the ball for an end-line throwin. (assuming it's made)

Really? I thought a double foul voided the option for the basket to count.

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by CoachP

So what's the POI on the infamous blarge? Lead has a PC and C has a block?

I may be corrected on this, but I believe a double foul in the case of blarge with an airborn shooter involved, it would void the basket - the ball would become dead immediately, with no team control, so you would go to the arrow.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Smitty

I may be corrected on this, but I believe a double foul in the case of blarge with an airborn shooter involved, it would void the basket - the ball would become dead immediately, with no team control, so you would go to the arrow.

Yep, you would be corrected on this. Normally you would be right that you would not count the basket after a player-control foul. But the case play 4.19.8 Sit C tells us it is not considered a player-control foul, it is instead a double foul, and if there is a basket, the basket is scored.

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

Yep, you would be corrected on this. Normally you would be right that you would not count the basket after a player-control foul. But the case play 4.19.8 Sit C tells us it is not considered a player-control foul, it is instead a double foul, and if there is a basket, the basket is scored.

Yeah just looked it up. I stand corrected. Sorry if I caused any confusion. This is how we learn...