Double Whistle Situation

[Rich]

Originally Posted by TravelinMan

I think this is why calling outside your primary can get a crew into trouble, especially with a block/charge play.

Am I correct in stating that:

in 2 man - official who has play "coming to him/her" has primary responsibility to make the block/charge call.

in 3 man - official has block/charge call if play starts in his/her area. e.g., if drive to basket starts in T's area he/she has block/charge call all the way even though play finishes in Lead's area.

There are shared primary areas, though. There's even one area shared by three officials that can (and does) lead to a triple whistle.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

There are shared primary areas, though. There's even one area shared by three officials that can (and does) lead to a triple whistle.

You should check the current NFHS Officials Manual. The dual coverage area was dropped a couple of years ago.

[TravelinMan]

So what does the rest of the forum think about pre-gaming blarge this way. i.e., primary responsibility. This is the way they addressed blarge in NY and NC. I'd have a very difficult time selling a double foul. I would rather avoid the blarge AT ALL COSTS. Jack BTW Wish everybody a Happy Thanksgiving. This forum has helped me so much in improving as an official.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by TravelinMan

I'd have a very difficult time selling a double foul.

Why?

I would rather avoid the blarge AT ALL COSTS.

Why?

[TravelinMan]

Scrapper -

I am of the opinion that you can't have both a charge and a block on the same play. It is either one or the other. That is why I try to avoid it at all costs. It's kinda like a crocogator. That's an animal with the upper body of a crocodile and the lower body of an alligator. It's the meanest animal alive. You would be too if you couldn't take a S***!

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by TravelinMan

I am of the opinion that you can't have both a charge and a block on the same play. It is either one or the other.

While I am of the same opinion as you, the rules (case plays) tell us EXPLICITLY that when officials give differing signals, you assess both as a double foul. It doesn't matter at all whether I am of this OPINION or not.

And as for selling it, it's amazingly easy. You just start the sentence by saying, "Coach, BY RULE. . ."

[mick]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

While I am of the same opinion as you, the rules (case plays) tell us EXPLICITLY that when officials give differing signals, you assess both as a double foul. It doesn't matter at all whether I am of this OPINION or not.

And as for selling it, it's amazingly easy. You just start the sentence by saying, "Coach, BY RULE. . ."

Nice!
Thanks.

[walter]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

While I am of the same opinion as you, the rules (case plays) tell us EXPLICITLY that when officials give differing signals, you assess both as a double foul. It doesn't matter at all whether I am of this OPINION or not.

And as for selling it, it's amazingly easy. You just start the sentence by saying, "Coach, BY RULE. . ."

I had this twice last season (yikes!!!) in two different games. I was working with the same official who just refuses to refrain from giving preliminary signals whether it is in his primary or not and it got us in trouble on two bang, bang, got it sell it calls in my primary (lead). Regardless, I got both coaches together and did just what Scrapper suggested, "Coaches, by rule, we have a double foul situation..." In both games (one a playoff game), the coaches accepted the explanantion and we went on from POI. I pregame this every time no matter the level of game or experience of partner(s). This one official just refuses and gives a prelim on every call.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

While I am of the same opinion as you, the rules (case plays) tell us EXPLICITLY that when officials give differing signals, you assess both as a double foul.

I know I'm beating this to death, but the word signal does not appear in the case play in question. A wrong signal is much easier to dismiss, in my opinion, than a wrong call.