Double Whistle Situation

[Spence]

I'm lead. A1 goes up for a shot in the lane. I blow the whistle because I see a foul on B1. My partner blows his whistle at the same time and immediately signals jump ball. The problem is that I've got my fist in the air.

How do I handle that?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Spence

I'm lead. A1 goes up for a shot in the lane. I blow the whistle because I see a foul on B1. My partner blows his whistle at the same time and immediately signals jump ball. The problem is that I've got my fist in the air.

How do I handle that?

Get together and decide which happened first, and try to be aware of your partner's whistle so this won't happen again.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Get together and decide which happened first, and try to be aware of your partner's whistle so this won't happen again.

Use statements like, "I saw, and agree with your jump ball call, but I'm sure that my foul came first", or your partner may say, "I saw, and agree that that was a foul, but I'm sure that my jump ball came first". Without acknowledging that you saw each other's call, there's no way to tell which happened first.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Use statements like, "I saw, and agree with your jump ball call, but I'm sure that my foul came first", or your partner may say, "I saw, and agree that that was a foul, but I'm sure that my jump ball came first". Without acknowledging that you saw each other's call, there's no way to tell which happened first.

Sounds good to me. I originally typed "try to decide which came first" then left out the try. Right or wrong, in this situation the officials must decide which came first. There is no way to enforce both. ***




*** Where I come from, there's no such thing as a blarge. One of these things also happens before the other.

[Back In The Saddle]

You see foul/held ball from time to time, you also see foul/travel. Nobody has done anything wrong when this happens. You just have to decide which came first. Normally it's a "travel into the foul" and the partner with the travel can come out with "First" and the travel signal as it's fairly easy for the partner with the travel to see the sequence of events clearly. With the foul/held ball, you've got to get together and determine which happened first.

Not sure what's up with the admonition to "try to be aware of your partner's whistle so this won't happen again". You've both got a call, neither knows what the other has. Blow the whistle, get together and come to the right decision.

[Juulie Downs]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

You see foul/held ball from time to time, you also see foul/travel. Nobody has done anything wrong when this happens. You just have to decide which came first. Normally it's a "travel into the foul" .

Actually, what I see more often is, "the foul caused the travel". But then, maybe it depends on the different between JH girls, and varsity boys. wink, wink...

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

Not sure what's up with the admonition to "try to be aware of your partner's whistle so this won't happen again".

Often, not always, if two officials have a whistle, one can easily yield to the other before making conflicting signals.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Sounds good to me. I originally typed "try to decide which came first" then left out the try. Right or wrong, in this situation the officials must decide which came first. There is no way to enforce both. ***


*** Where I come from, there's no such thing as a blarge. One of these things also happens before the other.

What happens in your area, when it's just one-on-one, A1 and B1, and two officials signal two different fouls: a block and a charge?

In this case, there is no "this happened first". It's the same contact. One official judged it to be a block. The other, a PC.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

What happens in your area, when it's just one-on-one, A1 and B1, and two officials signal two different fouls: a block and a charge?

In this case, there is no "this happened first". It's the same contact. One official judged it to be a block. The other, a PC.

One official yields to the judgment of the other. A signal does not a call make.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by just another ref

*** Where I come from, there's no such thing as a blarge. One of these things also happens before the other.

Are there any other rules that are tossed aside where you are?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Are there any other rules that are tossed aside where you are?

We have had this discussion before. I don't consider this tossing aside anything.

4.19.8 C: ........ One official calls a blocking foul on B1 and the other official calls a charging foul on A1.

If this is the whole story, by virtue of this case play, you can go with the double foul call, even though by doing so, when you consider the definitions of block and charge, you acknowledge that one call is wrong.

If, however, the two officials get together and exchange information, one may back off from his call, and now we no longer have a double foul, so this stinker of a rule no longer applies.

How is this any different than when the lead whistles out of bounds and signals A's ball, then is told by the trail that A3 tipped the ball last and changes his call?

[mick]

Originally Posted by Spence

I'm lead. A1 goes up for a shot in the lane. I blow the whistle because I see a foul on B1. My partner blows his whistle at the same time and immediately signals jump ball. The problem is that I've got my fist in the air.

How do I handle that?

If you're positive the foul occurred first, look at your partner and say, "I got it!, ...fouled before the jump."

...Or, did the defender prevent the release [held ball] and then make incidental contact ?

There are a coupla options here.