Lowering the shoulder

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by Nevadaref
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1) What do you think about the rebounding play? Does it provide an adequate example for your parameters?

2) BNR, Yes, I am aware that the college ruling on this play is different.

[/B][/QUOTE]1) Yeah, that rebounding play could involve shoulder to torso contact on a player without LGP. The rule doesn't specify the front of the torso or the back of the torso.The "trip over the player on the floor" play though is still completely irrelevent to the discussion.

2) The college ruling re: a player on the floor is different than the FED's, but, again, that ain't relevant to the discussion we're having. I'm still waiting for an to NCAA cite that states that shoulder-to-torso contact should be called differently than in the NFHS. Afaik, shoulder to torso contact is pretty much called the same way in all rulesets, with regards to LGP.



[Edited by Jurassic Referee on Mar 20th, 2006 at 07:08 AM]

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

1) Yeah, that rebounding play could involve shoulder to torso contact on a player without LGP. The rule doesn't specify the front of the torso or the back of the torso.The "trip over the player on the floor" play though is still completely irrelevent to the discussion.

Agreed. I only cited the lying on the floor play to support that a player is entitled to a spot on the floor whether or not he has LGP.

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

2) The college ruling re: a player on the floor is different than the FED's, but, again, that ain't relevant to the discussion we're having. I'm still waiting for an to NCAA cite that states that shoulder-to-torso contact should be called differently than in the NFHS. Afaik, shoulder to torso contact is pretty much called the same way in all rulesets, with regards to LGP.

Again I agree with ya.
I only know of one NCAAW rule which makes a difference here. That is the one about not being able to take a charge while standing under the basket unless the drive comes parallel with the end line. This could be viewed as not having LGP though.

[drinkeii]

I find it interesting that people have discussed the concept of a really big person just not being displaced. I had a player that played in a league that i officiated a large number of games in, and he constantly complained that he was getting fouled, and wasn't getting any calls. When I started watching, he was right - he was being hit, pushed, shoved, etc. But in most cases, almost no displacement occurred because he was tall and large.

Most people say not to call a foul, without displacement, and the rules support this. But is this fair to the larger players, who can get hit and pushed and if they are able to hold their ground, there would be no foul called? I'm not out looking to call fouls, but should the larger players be subject to more abuse simply because it is harder to displace them?

BTW, I wasn't able to find a lot of situations where I could call the fouls. Many times, i noticed the fouls after the game, looking at videos from it, but during the game, because there was no displacement, it was hard, if not impossible, to see the contact as a foul.