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[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I do not think definite knowledge is a very specific or defined thing.

Think again:

5-10-1: The referee may correct an obvious mistake by the timer to start or stop the clock properly only when he/she has definite information relative to the time involved. The exact time observed by the official may be placed on the clock.

Note that it doesn't say "exact time", it says "exact time observed by the official". Not the same thing.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Think again:

5-10-1: The referee may correct an obvious mistake by the timer to start or stop the clock properly only when he/she has definite information relative to the time involved. The exact time observed by the official may be placed on the clock.

Note that it doesn't say "exact time", it says "exact time observed by the official". Not the same thing.

So you think that if you blow the whistle comes clearly before the horn, we are not know with certainly what time should have been on the clock at the very time of the whistle? You do that. Good luck with that logic. But the National Federation said it, so we must throw out all other logic and leave the clock where it is. Gotcha. Sorry, not doing that. We work 3 Person here too for all varsity games for the most part.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

So you think that if you blow the whistle comes clearly before the horn, we are not know with certainly what time should have been on the clock at the very time of the whistle?

By both rule and interpretation officials can't, unless an official observes the clock (possibly with the help of a partner, or the table crew), or an official uses a visible, or invisible count (ten seconds, five seconds, three seconds), or an official uses a mental count (as many good officials will do in the final seconds of periods).

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

By both rule and interpretation officials can't, unless an official observes the clock (possibly with the help of a partner, or the table crew), or an official uses a visible, or invisible count (ten seconds, five seconds, three seconds), or an official uses a mental count (as many good officials will do in the final seconds of periods).

I am not asking a bias home table to give me information about a clock situation in that way. They might tell me something, but I am not making a final decision based on their information.

Again to me, you are making this harder than it needs to be. Been in enough situation to know what to talk about and to think about what I need to do to help the crew. All you are focusing on is some words in an interpretation and not the actual application of the situation being discussed here.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I am not asking a bias home table to give me information about a clock situation in that way. They might tell me something, but I am not making a final decision based on their information.

5.10.1 Situation D: ... The referee shall come to the sideline and confer with one or both coaches and the timer about the matter.

The NFHS allows this as only one part of collecting all the facts. Too bad that we can't trust all table crews. I'd say we can fully trust about 90% here in my little corner of Connecticut. We've had scorekeepers and timekeepers who have been on the job for decades and we know each other by first names. It's always nice to walk into a gym and see a familiar face at the table.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

5.10.1 Situation D: ... The referee shall come to the sideline and confer with one or both coaches and the timer about the matter.

The NFHS allows this as only one part of collecting all the facts. Too bad that we can't trust all table crews. I'd say we can fully trust about 90% here in my little corner of Connecticut. We've had scorekeepers and timekeepers who have been on the job for decades and we know each other by first names. It's always nice to walk into a gym and see a familiar face at the table.

Just because you can do something, does not mean you should. IJS.

Peace