6 on the Court -- unnoticed...

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

... failure to report to the scorer or failure to be properly beckoned onto the court by an official ... following a made FT, he could have quickly zipped in from the table without you noticing.

Multiple substitutions. All substitutes report and are legally beckoned. Extra team member is confused and stays on court, unnoticed by everybody. Ball put into play. Quick foul occurs. No substitutions. One and one free throws awarded. First free throw made. No substitutions. Extra team member discovered by officials (who don't know when the extra team member entered) during dead ball, clock stopped, after first free throw made while the ball is in the hands of the lead official.

What's the call?

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Which player are you penalizing in that case?

Ask the coach who was supposed to come out? (He said sarcastically.)

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Multiple substitutions. All substitutes report and are legally beckoned. Extra team member is confused and stays on court, unnoticed by everybody. Ball put into play. Quick foul occurs. No substitutions. One and one free throws awarded. First free throw made. No substitutions. Extra team member discovered by officials (who don't know when the extra team member entered) during dead ball, clock stopped, after first free throw made while in the hands of the lead official.

What's the call?

By rule no call can be made. The officials just messed up. Have the extra man removed before making the ball live again. This is no different from having a correctable error occur which is now too late to fix. Accept it and move on.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

By rule no call can be made ... Have the extra man removed before making the ball live again. This is no different from having a correctable error occur which is now too late to fix.

Which rule?

Here's another rule, a real rule, written in a rulebook: NFHS 10-1-6: A team shall not: Have more than five team members participating simultaneously. If discovered while being violated.

This debate simply hinges on the definition of "participating" and I haven't seen such a definition for this situation from the NFHS.

This is not a correctable error situation, so let's not go there, please.

If this is discovered after the horn, as the six team members are returning to the bench for an intermission (they're not players anymore, nor, in my opinion, are they participating), then it's probably too late to penalize, but not in the example that I gave.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Multiple substitutions. All substitutes report and are legally beckoned. Extra team member is confused and stays on court, unnoticed by everybody. Ball put into play. Quick foul occurs. No substitutions. One and one free throws awarded. First free throw made. No substitutions. Extra team member discovered by officials (who don't know when the extra team member entered) during dead ball, clock stopped, after first free throw made while the ball is in the hands of the lead official. What's the call?

Stupid NFHS rules editor.