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Old Tue Oct 07, 2014, 08:39pm
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Another front court back court scenario

Ball is in team A's front court, ball is to be thrown in on the base line (front court) by the basket, A1's possession for a throw in

Player A1 throws the ball in by the top of the key in the front court where A2 tips the ball which then goes into the back court, tipped so that B2 couldnt intercept it.

After A2 tips the ball, A2 then goes into the back court retrieves his own tip, and is the first to pick up the ball and begins a dribble.

In this case, did A2's tip then retrieval before anyone else touched the ball complete the throw in, which now makes it a back court violation?

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Old Tue Oct 07, 2014, 08:51pm
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No, because there was no TC in the frontcourt.
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Old Tue Oct 07, 2014, 09:24pm
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In this case, did A2's tip then retrieval before anyone else touched the ball complete the throw in, which now makes it a back court violation?Thank you
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Old Tue Oct 07, 2014, 10:01pm
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Case book play 4.12.2 Situation B
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Old Wed Oct 08, 2014, 02:37am
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Requirements for a backcourt violation (in order):
1. Player control obtained (inbounds), establishing true team control
2. Ball gains frontcourt status (it may or may not be in player control at this point)
3. Ball last touched by team A BEFORE the ball goes into the backcourt
4. Ball first touched by team A AFTER it goes into the backcourt

Note that the location of the touch in 3 and 4 are not relevant, only that team A was the team to touch the ball closest to the time before and after it goes from frontcout to backcourt.
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Old Wed Oct 08, 2014, 09:44am
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Ball is in team A's front court, ball is to be thrown in on the base line (front court)
These two phrases are mutually exclusive. FC and BC areas only include the inbounds portion of the court. A throw in is neither FC nor BC.

While TC is indeed established in the FC on this play, it is not a BC violation because the rule makers don't want it to be, in spite of how they worded the rule.
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Old Wed Oct 08, 2014, 08:17pm
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Requirements for a backcourt violation (in order):
1. Player control obtained (inbounds), establishing true team control
2. Ball gains frontcourt status (it may or may not be in player control at this point)
3. Ball last touched by team A BEFORE the ball goes into the backcourt
4. Ball first touched by team A AFTER it goes into the backcourt

Note that the location of the touch in 3 and 4 are not relevant, only that team A was the team to touch the ball closest to the time before and after it goes from frontcout to backcourt.

Since #1 didnt happen because it was only a tip by A2, but #2,3 and 4 did happen, then it isnt a BC violation?
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Old Wed Oct 08, 2014, 09:09pm
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Camron gave a good synopsis. Y
You must have all four to have backcourt.
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Old Wed Oct 08, 2014, 11:51pm
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Since #1 didnt happen because it was only a tip by A2, but #2,3 and 4 did happen, then it isnt a BC violation?
Right, treat it as a checklist. If you don't get #1, no need to consider anything else....and so on.
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