6 on the Court -- unnoticed...

[bucky]

I must have missed something obvious but why any focus on the clock running? Also, why can the table not be used for any assistance? That is in the rule book. Plus, if the table does recognize it during a live ball, they may hit the horn a few times, and then the ref blows his whistle making the ball dead. In that case, where it was discovered during a live ball, it becomes irrelevant because the ref blew his whistle making the ball dead? That seems illogical.

And not everything is covered by the rules, thus "The referee shall make decisions on any points not specifically covered in the rules."

[Raymond]

Billy if the rule is that ambiguous how would you get in trouble?

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[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

... if the rule is that ambiguous how would you get in trouble?

Only if, as some Forum members state (and if they're NFHS correct), that the rule is not ambiguous, but rather, set in stone, live ball, and only live ball, equals participating and penalize, period, end of discussion, take it to the bank, Happy Trails, Hi-Yo, Silver! Away!

I'm not that confident on my side of this debate (and that's my point). I can't cite any specific rule, or casebook play, that says we can penalize when the ball is live, and/or the clock is running. Almost all of my interpretations are my opinion (maybe with a little purpose and intent thrown in), and may in fact, be dead wrong. But I can say the same thing about the other side of this debate. Which again, is my point, that we need more information from the NFHS to correctly rule on some of these more than five situations.

My opinion is that there can be a gray area written test questions (I "play" the written test question "card" to demonstrate whether the situation is gray, or black and white, written test questions are really not too important in my little corner of Connecticut, open book, group discussion going over correct answers, all get full credit if they take the test, no matter how many wrong answers, and show up at one of over a dozen test review meeting sites) regarding some of these situations. I'm sure that other Forum members could opine that written test questions regarding some of these situations can be easily answered in a black or white manner (live ball, and only live ball, equals participate and penalize).

Keep in mind that some of my situations are quite rare in a real game. If my opinion is right, I can't get into any trouble (purpose and intent should cover me). If my opinion is wrong, I can be wrong on a written test question, and/or in a game situation.

It's not that I've never been wrong before.

My opinion: Stupid NFHS rule editors.

Others' opinion: NFHS rules regarding some of these more than five situations are as clear as day and are fine as they exist.

[Raymond]

Stop obsessing

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[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Stop obsessing

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120 posts to get to that?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

120 posts to get to that?

... and that's all she wrote.

[Bad Zebra]

When a discussion goes on for 9 PAGES over a 6th team member participating

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra

How can you tell it's the off-season? When a discussion goes on for 9 PAGES over a 6th team member participating

Agree.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

... it's the offseason and we have a perfect storm for a long thread, with as many questions as answers.

[BigT]

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra

When a discussion goes on for 9 PAGES over a 6th team member participating

Its called the off season...

[BryanV21]

I think BigCat is seeing the intention of the rule, but the wording is bad and can be interpreted how BillyMac is saying.

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[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BigCat

Billy's interpretation.

Originally Posted by BryanV21

BillyMac is saying

Whoa. Hold onto your horses cowboys. BillyMac isn't saying anything. Theresia Wynns, the NFHS Basketball Rules Editor, who has oodles of gravitas, is the one doing the talking.

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

I think BigCat is seeing the intention of the rule, but the wording is bad and can be interpreted how BillyMac is saying.

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I'm stretching it in this limited circumstance... so just dont let it happen....