Jose Offerman punches Ump

[jicecone]

Originally Posted by Cub42

Finally, the MGR involved here has a very well known history for losing control in these situations.

You know your in a dungeon and you know the dragon has a heated temper, and you STILL insist on pis**ng him off.

This official may be experienced, but he still lacks wisdom.

[justanotherblue]

Originally Posted by jicecone

You know your in a dungeon and you know the dragon has a heated temper, and you STILL insist on pis**ng him off.

This official may be experienced, but he still lacks wisdom.

Hmmm have you ever met DJ?? I have and I have to strongly disagree with you!! Pro ball is a completly different animal, let alone working in the Dominican. Do you honestly belive Verbal Judo would have worked on Earl Weaver? I don't, not even a little. In the video DJ crosses his arms to maintain his distance, then Offerman appears to bump him, then hits him. We don't know what was said, to me it looks like DJ is trying to do his job..correctly. I would go to war anyday with DJ. Offerman is just an idiot, unfortunately at DJ's expense.

[jicecone]

Originally Posted by justanotherblue

Hmmm have you ever met DJ?? I have and I have to strongly disagree with you!! Pro ball is a completly different animal, let alone working in the Dominican. Do you honestly belive Verbal Judo would have worked on Earl Weaver? I don't, not even a little. In the video DJ crosses his arms to maintain his distance, then Offerman appears to bump him, then hits him. We don't know what was said, to me it looks like DJ is trying to do his job..correctly. I would go to war anyday with DJ. Offerman is just an idiot, unfortunately at DJ's expense.

No, I never met the fellow but, I am sure he is an excellent official and outstanding human being. As far as Offerman, a lifetime suspension for this scumbag was a light sentence. Criminal charges are more in line here.

Having said that, I still think for this incident , wisdom, could have been better applied.

[LeeBallanfant]

Originally Posted by jicecone

No, I never met the fellow but, I am sure he is an excellent official and outstanding human being. As far as Offerman, a lifetime suspension for this scumbag was a light sentence. Criminal charges are more in line here.

A lifetime suspension in DR is probably shorter than Jim Valvano's lifetime contract at NCState.

[runem]

Professional baseball is to amateur baseball as roller skates are to an f-16, They both could be called similar insomuch as they are both forms of transportation; common sense highlights the extreme differences, not the similarities. It would be stupid to place my seven year old in the cockpit based on his winning a race at the school roller rink party. Verbal judo is garbage you only hear those amateur umpires, who subscribe to the "we work for them" thinking, talk about. Professional baseball is a COMPLETELY different game altogether. Pleasing "coaches" and ad's is survival in high school and college baseball. Attempting to appease professional MANAGERS not only will not work, it will cause you, your crew, and all other umpires in the league, even bigger and more frequent ****storms. In professional baseball, the objective is not always, and never singularly, to avoid an ejection. Sometimes your job is, simply, to facilitate the argument and subsequent ejection. (this IS NOT what happened in this particular case by the way- DJ handled it near-perfectly) Those of you who think you have a better answer fail to understand the question altogether. This doesn't make you a better or worse umpire than those in professional baseball, it simply makes you an apple running your mouth about life in the orange grove.

[Kevin Finnerty]

Originally Posted by runem

Professional baseball is to amateur baseball as roller skates are to an f-16, They both could be called similar insomuch as they are both forms of transportation; common sense highlights the extreme differences, not the similarities. It would be stupid to place my seven year old in the cockpit based on his winning a race at the school roller rink party. Verbal judo is garbage you only hear those amateur umpires, who subscribe to the "we work for them" thinking, talk about. Professional baseball is a COMPLETELY different game altogether. Pleasing "coaches" and ad's is survival in high school and college baseball. Attempting to appease professional MANAGERS not only will not work, it will cause you, your crew, and all other umpires in the league, even bigger and more frequent ****storms. In professional baseball, the objective is not always, and never singularly, to avoid an ejection. Sometimes your job is, simply, to facilitate the argument and subsequent ejection. (this IS NOT what happened in this particular case by the way- DJ handled it near-perfectly) Those of you who think you have a better answer fail to understand the question altogether. This doesn't make you a better or worse umpire than those in professional baseball, it simply makes you an apple running your mouth about life in the orange grove.

Those of you who confine his poor handling and inflaming of Offerman to a Dominican baseball situation and not a human relations situation are failing to understand how an inflamed human being should be handled.

And flopping on his @ss from a phantom punch in the middle of a brawl is part of handling it "near-perfectly"?? Wow! What would perfect handling be? He not only inflamed the situation, he subjected himself to a serious kicking by going down that way. It was borderline ridiculous.

I love that cool blue type by the way. Very soothing.

[JJ]

I did notice this morning that Offerman got the death penalty in the D.R.
He earned it.

JJ

[Ump153]

Originally Posted by Kevin Finnerty

And flopping on his @ss from a phantom punch in the middle of a brawl is part of handling it "near-perfectly"?? Wow! What would perfect handling be? He not only inflamed the situation, he subjected himself to a serious kicking by going down that way. It was borderline ridiculous.

If you watch the second video that was posted which was shot from a different angle, you will see that Jose made contact with DJ's chest with his hand and forearm, pushing DJ backwards.

Nothing phantom about it.

[Ump153]

Originally Posted by runem

Professional baseball is to amateur baseball as roller skates are to an f-16, They both could be called similar insomuch as they are both forms of transportation; common sense highlights the extreme differences, not the similarities. It would be stupid to place my seven year old in the cockpit based on his winning a race at the school roller rink party. Verbal judo is garbage you only hear those amateur umpires, who subscribe to the "we work for them" thinking, talk about. Professional baseball is a COMPLETELY different game altogether. Pleasing "coaches" and ad's is survival in high school and college baseball. Attempting to appease professional MANAGERS not only will not work, it will cause you, your crew, and all other umpires in the league, even bigger and more frequent ****storms. In professional baseball, the objective is not always, and never singularly, to avoid an ejection. Sometimes your job is, simply, to facilitate the argument and subsequent ejection. (this IS NOT what happened in this particular case by the way- DJ handled it near-perfectly) Those of you who think you have a better answer fail to understand the question altogether. This doesn't make you a better or worse umpire than those in professional baseball, it simply makes you an apple running your mouth about life in the orange grove.

Excellent post and excellent explanation of the difference in mindset. However, you will find that there are a number of amatuers here that refuse to acknowledge the differences you point out between the progame and what they call. And some who will relunctantly accept the difference , will then blather on about how it shouldn't be different. (kind of like saying "yeah the sky is blue, but it really should be purple.")

Only in officiating have I run into so many amateurs who truly believe they are superior to the professionals of the trade.

[SAump]

Originally Posted by Ump153

Excellent post and excellent explanation of the difference in mindset. However, you will find that there are a number of amatuers here that refuse to acknowledge the differences you point out between the progame and what they call. And some who will relunctantly accept the difference , will then blather on about how it shouldn't be different. (kind of like saying "yeah the sky is blue, but it really should be purple.")

Only in officiating have I run into so many amateurs who truly believe they are superior to the professionals of the trade.

Pro Guys, when one of your own screws the pooch, you just have to say it is wrong. Like it or not, keep quiet if you can't handle it. Two members of that crew didn't handle a situation very well. You saw nothing wrong in the video, really?

Why was the star catcher ejected? The party line states he was arguing balls and strikes. Not what I saw on video. That catcher was facing the pitcher six feet in front of the plate. Learn how to properly eject a guy. At least let the offender know he will not be ejected while his back is turned away from the umpire.

The only hate comments I see in this thread are directed toward the quality of the game down south. Bull hockey. The 2nd ump did a good job of separating his partner from the conflict. But it wasn't his boat to paddle either. So he caught the short end of the stick. He'll get over it and won't make the same mistakes the next time.

Neither ump handled the argument very well. JMOHO!

[jicecone]

Originally Posted by runem

(this IS NOT what happened in this particular case by the way- DJ handled it near-perfectly) Those of you who think you have a better answer fail to understand the question altogether. This doesn't make you a better or worse umpire than those in professional baseball, it simply makes you an apple running your mouth about life in the orange grove.

Near-perfectly?

Maybe at the Pro level "near-perfect" is good enough but, for us low life simple minded "apple" amateur's, wellllll I myself, tend to strive for a level just higher than that. So please get off your high-horse.