Earrings and a ponytail.

[greymule]

Are you implying that you can't be proud of the military if you're not a conservative?

I know many non-conservatives who think highly of our military; some serve in it. However, I used to live in the college town of Princeton, New Jersey, and there are many people there—who have all sorts of wonderful degrees and teach the "best and the brightest"—who have nothing but contempt for the U.S. military and anyone who serves in it. They are also quite outspoken about their feelings, too, especially since they are usually among kindred spirits. They see to it that military recruiters cannot set foot on campus. I guarantee you that not a single one is a conservative.

There may be some, but I never met a conservative who hated our military.

[Matt]

Originally Posted by greymule

There may be some, but I never met a conservative who hated our military.

Fred Phelps.

[umpduck11]

Doesn't this entire thread boil down simply to accepted local standards ? Every association I've been associated with has standards, most of which they themselves set. Either you meet those standards (in your opinion fair or not), or you do not.

[Kevin Finnerty]

Originally Posted by greymule

Are you implying that you can't be proud of the military if you're not a conservative?

I know many non-conservatives who think highly of our military; some serve in it. However, I used to live in the college town of Princeton, New Jersey, and there are many people there—who have all sorts of wonderful degrees and teach the "best and the brightest"—who have nothing but contempt for the U.S. military and anyone who serves in it. They are also quite outspoken about their feelings, too, especially since they are usually among kindred spirits. They see to it that military recruiters cannot set foot on campus. I guarantee you that not a single one is a conservative.

There may be some, but I never met a conservative who hated our military.

This whole statement is one of the most absurd statements I have ever read on this subject. How prejudiced can a supposed sports official be? Good glory! You need to get to know more people. Oh, after first prying open your mind.

... Grey Mule, I'm pretty liberal, and I help veterans every week. I've been helping veterans ever since 1981. And I don't mean write a check to some charity, I mean feed, clothe, clean up and otherwise help them cope with being homeless and forgotten by the country that they risked their lives to serve. They live on the streets and park lands surrounding the V.A. near my office in Westwood. I take them to UCLA baseball games and just talk to them like they mean something. Sometimes, they just need to be fed some hope that someday the nation will take responsibility for them in the manner that they are due and were promised. Meanwhile, we do. And it's nowhere near enough, because less than one percent of the people in this nation help them.

Do you even know that there are 300,000 homeless veterans in this country? That number will be skyrocketing in the next two years. What do you do to contribute besides making these bizarre statements?

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by greymule

Are you implying that you can't be proud of the military if you're not a conservative?

I know many non-conservatives who think highly of our military; some serve in it. However, I used to live in the college town of Princeton, New Jersey, and there are many people there—who have all sorts of wonderful degrees and teach the "best and the brightest"—who have nothing but contempt for the U.S. military and anyone who serves in it. They are also quite outspoken about their feelings, too, especially since they are usually among kindred spirits. They see to it that military recruiters cannot set foot on campus. I guarantee you that not a single one is a conservative.

There may be some, but I never met a conservative who hated our military.

Amen. There are many anti-military people out there, and they are most definitely on the far-left.

Originally Posted by Kevin Finnerty

This whole statement is one of the most absurd statements I have ever read on this subject. How prejudiced can a supposed sports official be? Good glory! You need to know more people. Oh, after prying open your mind.

I don't see anything wrong with his statement. He correctly points out that many non-conservatives and liberals have served in the military and are very patriotic people in general. He also pointed out correctly that there are those among us with a hatred and contempt for our military, and these people are trying to indoctrinate the youth of this country against everything our country has proudly stood for all these many years. They do prohibit military recruiters on campuses. That's a fact, not a closed-minded opinion.

I too have never known of a conservative (I don't even know who the hell Fred Phelps is) who hates the military, but I do know a whole lot of ultra left-wing, free-to-be-hug-a-tree-let's-save-everything-except-people nuts out there who, like Bill Clinton, "loathe the military."

[Matt]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

like Bill Clinton, "loathe the military."

Clinton did not loathe the military.

[jwwashburn]

Originally Posted by Matt

Clinton did not loathe the military.

He may have you there, Steve. If Bubba said it then there is every reason to believe that he does not loathe the military. I will stand on the side of history ans assume the opposite of what Bubba actually said.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by Matt

Clinton did not loathe the military.

Well, he said it in a letter to a ROTC Colonel who was trying to recruit him.

[Matt]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Well, he said it at a press conference when he was governor of Arkansas.

No, he didn't.

[Kevin Finnerty]

Oh, well; we're having an adult conversation, so this thread's going to be censored and closed.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by Matt

No, he didn't.

Statement has been revised to indicate the facts.

[Matt]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Well, he said it in a letter to a ROTC Colonel who was trying to recruit him.

No, he didn't. That is both a misquotation and taken out of context.

[jwwashburn]

How could a misquotation have a context?

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by Matt

No, he didn't. That is both a misquotation and taken out of context.

In his letter, he talked about his reasons for sympathizing with anti-war, anti-military supporters and draft dodgers, which he admitted he was. This is the paragraph which is often equated with his loathing of the military, written immediately following his explanation of why he would not go fight for his country.

"And that is where I am now, writing to you because you have been good to me and have a right to know what I think and feel. I am writing too in the hope that my telling this one story will help you understand more clearly how so many fine people have come to find themselves still loving their country but loathing the military, to which you and other good men have devoted years, lifetimes, of the best service you could give. To many of us, it is no longer clear what is service and what is disservice, or, if it is clear, the conclusion is likely to be illegal."

[Ump153]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Well, he said it in a letter to a ROTC Colonel who was trying to recruit him.

No he didn't. This is the actuall quote from his letter which before the anti-Clinton gang misquoted it.

"And that is where I am now, writing to you because you have been good to me and have a right to know what I think and feel. I am writing too in the hope that my telling this one story will help you understand more clearly how so many fine people have come to find themselves still loving their country but loathing the military, to which you and other good men have devoted years, lifetimes, of the best service you could give. To many of us, it is no longer clear what is service and what is disservice, or, if it is clear, the conclusion is likely to be illegal.