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Old Mon Sep 07, 2009, 10:45pm
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Clinton did not loathe the military.
Well, he said it in a letter to a ROTC Colonel who was trying to recruit him.
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Well, he said it at a press conference when he was governor of Arkansas.
No, he didn't.
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Oh, well; we're having an adult conversation, so this thread's going to be censored and closed.
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No, he didn't.
Statement has been revised to indicate the facts.
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Well, he said it in a letter to a ROTC Colonel who was trying to recruit him.
No, he didn't. That is both a misquotation and taken out of context.
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Well, the thread was all about earrings and ponytails to start with, so this could just be the thread for any other discussion, since that subject has been played out pretty much.
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How could a misquotation have a context?
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Well, he said it in a letter to a ROTC Colonel who was trying to recruit him.
No he didn't. This is the actuall quote from his letter which before the anti-Clinton gang misquoted it.

"And that is where I am now, writing to you because you have been good to me and have a right to know what I think and feel. I am writing too in the hope that my telling this one story will help you understand more clearly how so many fine people have come to find themselves still loving their country but loathing the military, to which you and other good men have devoted years, lifetimes, of the best service you could give. To many of us, it is no longer clear what is service and what is disservice, or, if it is clear, the conclusion is likely to be illegal.
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No, he didn't. That is both a misquotation and taken out of context.
In his letter, he talked about his reasons for sympathizing with anti-war, anti-military supporters and draft dodgers, which he admitted he was. This is the paragraph which is often equated with his loathing of the military, written immediately following his explanation of why he would not go fight for his country.

"And that is where I am now, writing to you because you have been good to me and have a right to know what I think and feel. I am writing too in the hope that my telling this one story will help you understand more clearly how so many fine people have come to find themselves still loving their country but loathing the military, to which you and other good men have devoted years, lifetimes, of the best service you could give. To many of us, it is no longer clear what is service and what is disservice, or, if it is clear, the conclusion is likely to be illegal."
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Okay, we both know what he said. But did you read the rest of the letter in which he basically told the Colonel that he got a deferment to avoid the draft?
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How could a misquotation have a context?
Yes, it could only be one or the other, but not both. In the context Clinton meant it, he was describing people who he identified strongly with.
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Dick Cheney's a conservative. He's been loathing the military since the early 60s when he dreamed up his first deferment.
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Dick Cheney is a boob, and not very conservative. Republicans are not all conservative and there are conservative democrats. There are two extremes, and both ends are highly dangerous.
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Okay, we both know what he said. But did you read the rest of the letter in which he basically told the Colonel that he got a deferment to avoid the draft?
Yep. How is that any different from millions of others including many who later became famous chicken hawks?
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Dick Cheney is a boob, and not very conservative.
Holy sh!t. I just spilled my beer.


Don't tell Rush or anyone over at FOX. They've all be touting him as one of the few remaining TRUE conservatives.
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