Earrings and a ponytail.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by zm1283

You've never lived in the Midwest, have you?

Yes, I've lived in KC, Illinois, and 10 years in Texas, but we're a big Republican stronghold in a sea of liberalism which is California. We are a military city and damn proud of them.

[Tim C]

"And the point is, the umpire I'm talking about didn't just "happen" to get D-1 assignments. Back in the day, being a D-1 umpire was really not that big of a deal, and nobody cared what an umpire looked like. That is a more recent phenomenon. Now it's all about how purty the umpire looks, not whether or not he can umpire a friggin' tiddlywinks contest, which is how I equate many of the D-1 umpires I've seen lately. He was assigned good games because he was a good umpire all around, and was well respected by coaches and administrators everywhere."

Steve this might be the FIRST thing you have written in this thread that I agree with . . . In my "olden" days even "D1" schools didn't overly react to uniforms, shoes, hair, and tatoos. That is not the case today.

While I strongly disagree with your statement that "Being bigoted against long hair went out in the 1960s" isn't true. It simply isn't true.

There are still specific trades and professional jobs still don't allow long hair.

Sorry Steve -- I have my standards and IF I were King no umpire with a ponytail would work playoff level games.

That being said: my GF has plenty of ink and it has never stopped her from getting modeling jobs.

BTW, see me (in all my largeness) in the Season Ending January episode of Leverage.

And Jesus is not on our roster of eligible playoff umpires. (What a trite arguement -- I expect more from you).

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by Tim C

BTW, see me (in all my largeness) in the Season Ending January episode of Leverage.

Leverage is my favorite TV show. Let us know exactly when it's going to air. I know this week is the summer season finale.

Originally Posted by Tim C

And Jesus is not on our roster of eligible playoff umpires. (What a trite arguement -- I expect more from you).

Yeah, I was just tossing that one out there for sensationalism. I know that argument doesn't hold water. I gave it the old college try.

[BigUmp56]

Originally Posted by Tim C

Steve this might be the FIRST thing you have written in this thread that I agree with . . . In my "olden" days even "D1" schools didn't overly react to uniforms, shoes, hair, and tatoos. That is not the case today.

While I strongly disagree with your statement that "Being bigoted against long hair went out in the 1960s" isn't true. It simply isn't true.

There are still specific trades and professional jobs still don't allow long hair.

Sorry Steve -- I have my standards and IF I were King no umpire with a ponytail would work playoff level games.

That being said: my GF has plenty of ink and it has never stopped her from getting modeling jobs.

BTW, see me (in all my largeness) in the Season Ending January episode of Leverage.

And Jesus is not on our roster of eligible playoff umpires. (What a trite arguement -- I expect more from you).

Tim,

Would you ever consider seeing a physician who has a pony tail?


Tim.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BigUmp56

Tim,

Would you ever consider seeing a physician who has a pony tail?


Tim.

I'm not Tim, but if I had a choice between two (male) physicians and the ONLY thing I knew about them was one had a pony tail and one didn't, I'd choose the one without.

That applies to umpires, too.

And, didn't Drake get told to cut his hair?

As someone once said, we are just actors in the play called, "Baseball." Just as actors have to dress for the role, so do we.

[DG]

Originally Posted by BigUmp56

Tim,

Would you ever consider seeing a physician who has a pony tail?

I would not call it a pony tail, but my physician wears her long hair tied back behind her head.

[RPatrino]

I work with two very fine umpires, one who posts on this board, was one of the very first umpires I have worked with that wears earrings. The second umpire has a pony tail that he keeps tucked under his cap. I would go into battle with both in a heartbeat!!!

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Yes, I've lived in KC, Illinois, and 10 years in Texas, but we're a big Republican stronghold in a sea of liberalism which is California. We are a military city and damn proud of them.

Are you implying that you can't be proud of the military if you're not a conservative?

[BigUmp56]

Originally Posted by zm1283

Are you implying that you can't be proud of the military if you're not a conservative?

No, I think he's implying that much like Norfolk Va, SD is a military town. Nothing more.

Tim.

[greymule]

Are you implying that you can't be proud of the military if you're not a conservative?

I know many non-conservatives who think highly of our military; some serve in it. However, I used to live in the college town of Princeton, New Jersey, and there are many people there—who have all sorts of wonderful degrees and teach the "best and the brightest"—who have nothing but contempt for the U.S. military and anyone who serves in it. They are also quite outspoken about their feelings, too, especially since they are usually among kindred spirits. They see to it that military recruiters cannot set foot on campus. I guarantee you that not a single one is a conservative.

There may be some, but I never met a conservative who hated our military.

[Matt]

Originally Posted by greymule

There may be some, but I never met a conservative who hated our military.

Fred Phelps.

[umpduck11]

Doesn't this entire thread boil down simply to accepted local standards ? Every association I've been associated with has standards, most of which they themselves set. Either you meet those standards (in your opinion fair or not), or you do not.

[Kevin Finnerty]

Originally Posted by greymule

Are you implying that you can't be proud of the military if you're not a conservative?

I know many non-conservatives who think highly of our military; some serve in it. However, I used to live in the college town of Princeton, New Jersey, and there are many people there—who have all sorts of wonderful degrees and teach the "best and the brightest"—who have nothing but contempt for the U.S. military and anyone who serves in it. They are also quite outspoken about their feelings, too, especially since they are usually among kindred spirits. They see to it that military recruiters cannot set foot on campus. I guarantee you that not a single one is a conservative.

There may be some, but I never met a conservative who hated our military.

This whole statement is one of the most absurd statements I have ever read on this subject. How prejudiced can a supposed sports official be? Good glory! You need to get to know more people. Oh, after first prying open your mind.

... Grey Mule, I'm pretty liberal, and I help veterans every week. I've been helping veterans ever since 1981. And I don't mean write a check to some charity, I mean feed, clothe, clean up and otherwise help them cope with being homeless and forgotten by the country that they risked their lives to serve. They live on the streets and park lands surrounding the V.A. near my office in Westwood. I take them to UCLA baseball games and just talk to them like they mean something. Sometimes, they just need to be fed some hope that someday the nation will take responsibility for them in the manner that they are due and were promised. Meanwhile, we do. And it's nowhere near enough, because less than one percent of the people in this nation help them.

Do you even know that there are 300,000 homeless veterans in this country? That number will be skyrocketing in the next two years. What do you do to contribute besides making these bizarre statements?

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by greymule

Are you implying that you can't be proud of the military if you're not a conservative?

I know many non-conservatives who think highly of our military; some serve in it. However, I used to live in the college town of Princeton, New Jersey, and there are many people there—who have all sorts of wonderful degrees and teach the "best and the brightest"—who have nothing but contempt for the U.S. military and anyone who serves in it. They are also quite outspoken about their feelings, too, especially since they are usually among kindred spirits. They see to it that military recruiters cannot set foot on campus. I guarantee you that not a single one is a conservative.

There may be some, but I never met a conservative who hated our military.

Amen. There are many anti-military people out there, and they are most definitely on the far-left.

Originally Posted by Kevin Finnerty

This whole statement is one of the most absurd statements I have ever read on this subject. How prejudiced can a supposed sports official be? Good glory! You need to know more people. Oh, after prying open your mind.

I don't see anything wrong with his statement. He correctly points out that many non-conservatives and liberals have served in the military and are very patriotic people in general. He also pointed out correctly that there are those among us with a hatred and contempt for our military, and these people are trying to indoctrinate the youth of this country against everything our country has proudly stood for all these many years. They do prohibit military recruiters on campuses. That's a fact, not a closed-minded opinion.

I too have never known of a conservative (I don't even know who the hell Fred Phelps is) who hates the military, but I do know a whole lot of ultra left-wing, free-to-be-hug-a-tree-let's-save-everything-except-people nuts out there who, like Bill Clinton, "loathe the military."

[Matt]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

like Bill Clinton, "loathe the military."

Clinton did not loathe the military.