ASA Ponytail

[bwbuddy]

Our ASA Fastpitch league has a 7-8YO Ponytail division that uses a pitching machine. They choose to add an umpire during the second half of the season.

Defensive coaches are allowed to stand in the outfield. Last night, one of those defensive coaches stuck his foot out to stop a hard hit ball that the parents, of course, felt would have rolled all the way to the fence (100'). It was definitely intentional (brain cramp at best).

What would you award - blocked ball penalty?

[pob14]

Removed because I didn't say anything helpful.

[AtlUmpSteve]

I would award what I believe would have been the most likely result of the hit. I would also award that specific coach a seat off the field of play.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by bwbuddy

Our ASA Fastpitch league has a 7-8YO Ponytail division that uses a pitching machine. They choose to add an umpire during the second half of the season.

Defensive coaches are allowed to stand in the outfield. Last night, one of those defensive coaches stuck his foot out to stop a hard hit ball that the parents, of course, felt would have rolled all the way to the fence (100'). It was definitely intentional (brain cramp at best).

What would you award - blocked ball penalty?

I would have left and never come back1!!

I'm sure you do the best you can and are just covering an assignment for your association, but do you really think this level needs umpires?

[mcrowder]

I probably would have awarded 4 bases and sat the guy down for the rest of the game.

[Mountaineer]

We do the 7 & 8 for LL here and solved that by putting a defensive coaches box (6x10) at the end of the dugout. I know that doesn't solve your problem but that's what our district staff did. We use umpires too because they need help on some issues - ever seen a coach that knows the rules, or even read a rulebook for that matter?

[buddha69]

Originally Posted by mcrowder

I probably would have awarded 4 bases and sat the guy down for the rest of the game.

I'm with mcrowder on this!

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Mountaineer

We use umpires too because they need help on some issues - ever seen a coach that knows the rules, or even read a rulebook for that matter?

Ever seen a coach that actually pays attention to you when told the correct rules that don't fit into his/her plans?

What I wouldn't give for the luxury of having enough umpires to cover games at that level

[fastpitch]

We use 2 umpires for 6U and 8U. No defensive coaches are allowed in the outfield for 8U but typically 2 are for 6U. There are as many as 50 league rules for each division and they vary from park to park. Most parks' rules also allow a defensive coach on the field within touching distance of the dugout.

Some of the league rules deal specifically with the situation in this post, but straight ASA, would not a 3 base award be applicable for interfering with a batted ball.

[mcrowder]

I'm sure you've done enough 8U to know that a ball hit past the fielders is going to be a 4-base hit. Can't penalize the offense for the defense's transgression, can you?

[fastpitch]

Just pointing out the award per ASA, on the 120' fields we play this on not 100% guaranteed a home run, reading one of the parks' league rules on this they have "if the coach in the outfield is hit by the ball all players are entitled to the next base" Obviously the coaches have not read this rule or they would be hit by many more - not a good league rule.

[whiskers_ump]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

I would have left and never come back1!!

I'm sure you do the best you can and are just covering an assignment for your association, but do you really think this level needs umpires?

I am with Mike here....I would have departed if I got that assignment.

[Mountaineer]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Ever seen a coach that actually pays attention to you when told the correct rules that don't fit into his/her plans?

What I wouldn't give for the luxury of having enough umpires to cover games at that level

Oh that's true, coaches only pay attention when you are telling them what they want to hear. Sort of like a marriage . . .

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by mcrowder

... snip ... Can't penalize the offense for the defense's transgression, can you?

But don't we do that all the time on an over throw that goes out of play on an unfenced field? For example, over F3 into open space and the runner has to stop at 2nd.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

But don't we do that all the time on an over throw that goes out of play on an unfenced field? For example, over F3 into open space and the runner has to stop at 2nd.

I don't think so. With a fenceless field, it would be up to the host to determine the ground rule initiating a dead ball line, or not. Both teams have to use the same boundries, perceived or otherwise.