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Old Wed Sep 17, 2014, 10:09am
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And what proof do you have anything has been discovered other than the current BOO? An inning after the fact you have a coach who has brought you their score book indicating the flex had batted the previous inning. What do you do if the other teams score book doesn't show the flex batting?
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Old Wed Sep 17, 2014, 11:03am
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What do we do in any case where there is a discrepancy in the score book? If there is an official score book, we use that, otherwise the home book is the official book. Should be fairly simple to find out if someone is an illegal sub. Dave

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Old Wed Sep 17, 2014, 12:58pm
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And what proof do you have anything has been discovered other than the current BOO? An inning after the fact you have a coach who has brought you their score book indicating the flex had batted the previous inning. What do you do if the other teams score book doesn't show the flex batting?
I think it is assumed that when one posts a question, the facts of the question are true. The OP of a thread shouldn't have to prove to others that his facts are correct. Given the facts laid out by the OP, we should answer the questions posted.

Per both NFHS and ASA, any time the Flex bats without going into the DP slot, it's an illegal sub, and not BOO. Penalize accordingly.

In this case, Flex illegally batted for B1. Then we have the additional issue of B1 batting out of turn when B2 was due up. Again, penalize accordingly.
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I think it is assumed that when one posts a question, the facts of the question are true. The OP of a thread shouldn't have to prove to others that his facts are correct. Given the facts laid out by the OP, we should answer the questions posted.

Per both NFHS and ASA, any time the Flex bats without going into the DP slot, it's an illegal sub, and not BOO. Penalize accordingly.

In this case, Flex illegally batted for B1. Then we have the additional issue of B1 batting out of turn when B2 was due up. Again, penalize accordingly.
MD, I like your explanation. So when NFHS says that illegal substitution supersedes BOO, it is talking about the illegal sub player, not the batter who follows the illegal sub. So as you say, the batter (B1) who follows the illegal sub would be out of order. So if appealed correctly, B2 would be declared out and B3 would be up? Dave
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Old Wed Sep 17, 2014, 06:42pm
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I think it is assumed that when one posts a question, the facts of the question are true. The OP of a thread shouldn't have to prove to others that his facts are correct. Given the facts laid out by the OP, we should answer the questions posted.
I interpreted this differently. Not that the OP has to prove to the message board the accuracy of the sitch, rather, in real time during the game, how do you really know/prove that there was an illegal substitute a half-inning or more later....

Furthermore, you can only go for the penalty of an illegal sub while she is illegally in the game. This means you have to catch it while she is on offense for a player other than the DP.
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If she batted or played defense she is currently in the game, regardless if she is sitting in the dugout, in the batters box, on base, or in the field. The flex was in the game. Dave
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Furthermore, you can only go for the penalty of an illegal sub while she is illegally in the game. This means you have to catch it while she is on offense for a player other than the DP.
For the penalty part where you nullify the play, yes.

The restriction part - no.
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