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FLEX bats #10 - NFHS v ASA
DP/FLEX on the lineup card. Top of an inning. No outs. DP is not batter #1 in the lineup (doesn't matter what batter she is - just not #1). Offense mistakely thinks the FLEX bats in the 10-spot. B1 is due up, but FLEX enters the batter's box and hits a single. B1 follows and hits a single, advancing R1 (FLEX) to 2B. B2 enters the batter's box. Defense requests TIME and protests that FLEX is illegal.
In NFHS, FLEX is out an restricted (illegal sub for B1), B1 is out and restricted (illegal sub for B2), and B2 is out and restricted (illegal sub for B3). B4 is due up their next half inning (assuming they still have enough players). In ASA, FLEX is DQ'ed and can be replaced on base with an eligible sub. B1 is declared out and runner (FLEX's sub) returns. One out unless there are no subs available for FLEX. B2 is merely replaced at bat with B3. So, for NFHS 3 outs, 3 players restricted to the bench. For ASA, possibly only 1 out, 2 players DQ'ed. At most 2 outs if there are not elibible subs for FLEX. Interesting.
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I know WMB ststes consistently that NFHS is more benevolent and caring by catering to the youth player, but obviously not the case here.
The ASA version limits the damage for what is really one mistake that snowballs; and limits the result of the defense sitting by and letting it snowball. Whatever the defense fails to appeal becomes partially legalized. The NFHS version actually rewards the defense for either not knowing, or sitting in wait for the maximum damage. After the first illegal sub/player, this is really nothing more than an unreported re-entry who batted in the wrong spot in the batting order; everything after that is the same as any batting out of order daisychain, where failing to appeal legalizes what previously happened. It shouldn't be three outs, three restrictions, and likely a forfeit.
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Or, if you are in WA at the 2004 Class B High School State Tournament: *Out of order batter discovered eight batters later *Team has scored seven runs in the inning *Defense has not recorded an out So what do the two brain surgeons, er, umpires, do? They get three outs and no runs score. No restrictions, no nothing. They just declare three outs and no runs score. So what does the offending coach do? Nothing. Nothing at all.
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With the ASA interp: I see where the unreported sub (FLEX in for B1) is DQ'd and replaced. (4.6.C.4) But I don't see why you're declaring B1 out. Who should be the next proper batter after the FLEX illegally bats? B2? Then don't you have BOO per 7.2.D.2 because B1 just batted for B2? B2 is out, remove B1 from 1B, return the FLEX's sub back to 1B and bring B3 up to bat... Am I right? Or am I missing something? Or was the situation that just the issue with the FLEX was appealed and not the BOO?
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I understand where you're going with this in respect to the literal application of all rules, but I think you're making a rather complicated case and draconian response to what is a rather simple case of in-attention to detail.
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