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Old Tue Sep 16, 2014, 09:31pm
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Flex bats NFHS rules

Here is a scenario I had.
Line-up is:
#01 - Suzy - F5
#02 - Sally - F8
#03 - Fran - F3
#04 - Jan - F7
#05 - Jill - DP
#06 - Deb - F2
#07 - Ruth - F4
#08 - Rita - F9
#09 - Mandy - F6
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#10 - Becky - F1/Flex

First inning is #01 walks, #02 sac bunts, #03 strikes out, and #04 flies out. Other team bats.

Second inning is #05 grounds out, #06 grounds out, and #07 strikes out. Other team bats.

Third inning is #08 strikes out, #09 grounds out, #10 flies out. (Yes--#10, the Flex, batted! The offense didn't attempt/announce any substitution. The defense did not appeal. The umpire didn't notice.) Other team bats.

Fourth inning started with #01 getting a base hit. Immediately, the defense appealed batting out of order.

What is the correct ruling?
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Old Tue Sep 16, 2014, 10:27pm
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Suzy is removed from the bases, Sally is out, and Fran is next to bat.
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Old Wed Sep 17, 2014, 07:07am
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NFHS states that putting the Flex in for anyone BUT the DP is an illegal substitution. Also that illegal substitution supersedes batting out of order. I believe when the Flex batted, it was for the #1 batter, which was an iilegal substitution, not a batting out of order. Just my opinion. Dave
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Old Wed Sep 17, 2014, 07:08am
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And Becky restricted to bench for rest of game for being an illegal substitute?

3-6-g Does not mention "before the next pitch".

4-2 note: The penalty for illegal substitution takes precedence over the batting-out-of-order penalty.

Could this be considered as 2 different infractions?

Illegal sub / BOO in the 3rd inning, but the next pitch negates the BOO.
Then in the 4th inning you again have BOO.
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Old Wed Sep 17, 2014, 07:44am
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The way I am reading it is once you have an illegal substitution, you can no longer have a batting out of order on this particular episode. Dave
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Old Wed Sep 17, 2014, 08:42am
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How do you penalize for an illegal substitute an inning after the fact? At the time the infraction was brought to the umpires attention all you have is BOO.
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Old Wed Sep 17, 2014, 09:42am
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Originally Posted by RKBUmp View Post
How do you penalize for an illegal substitute an inning after the fact? At the time the infraction was brought to the umpires attention all you have is BOO.
An illegal substitute can discovered by either team or an umpire at any time in the game and be restricted to the dugout. The only thing that discovering before a pitch has been thrown does is nullify the play.
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