Misapplied rule in Oklahoma HS playoffs

[JRutledge]

When you have diversity in all situations, it is harder for those to claim much anything about who they are dealing with. When you don't, you open the door up for things like this being said.

I do not care about how many were on one game. I care about who you have for all the games. I would not be surprised that there was probably not a entirely African-American crew on this school's schedule. And if they did, how many times did that take place. Why does that matter? It matters to help eliminate any assumption of bias or inappropriate behavior with the participants. Just like people complain about where we live and who we are bias against based on where we live, we can do the same with make-up of the crew. Just like in the news with the issues with police, many of the outcries change if you have a diversity in the work force. If you don't, then you will have these issues being raised over and over and over again.

Peace

[Suudy]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

When you have diversity in all situations, it is harder for those to claim much anything about who they are dealing with. When you don't, you open the door up for things like this being said.

I do not care about how many were on one game. I care about who you have for all the games. I would not be surprised that there was probably not a entirely African-American crew on this school's schedule. And if they did, how many times did that take place. Why does that matter? It matters to help eliminate any assumption of bias or inappropriate behavior with the participants. Just like people complain about where we live and who we are bias against based on where we live, we can do the same with make-up of the crew. Just like in the news with the issues with police, many of the outcries change if you have a diversity in the work force. If you don't, then you will have these issues being raised over and over and over again.

Peace

In other words, attitudes. There's no evidence of actual different treatment, only an "assumption of bias or inappropriate behavior." Sending an all African-American crew to one or even all Douglass's games would do nothing to address those attitudes other than to justify them.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Suudy

In other words, attitudes. There's no evidence of actual different treatment, only an "assumption of bias or inappropriate behavior." Sending an all African-American crew to one or even all Douglass's games would do nothing to address those attitudes other than to justify them.

Attitudes have a lot to do with what we do. Why do people not work their Alma mater? Why do people not work at schools their kids or relatives attend? Why do people not work games in the town they live?

It is not because they are going to do anything bias.

Heck I got off a game last year where the girl I was seriously dating and now live with, her cousin was the coach of one of the teams. Now I would have been totally professional if I had to work the game. But I told the tournament director that of this association and allowed him to move me if he saw fit. Why do you think I had that conversation with the TD and my girlfriend's cousins? Attitudes. This is just another reason all things need to be considered as well. Because what was the accusation that someone has to answer for? Yep you got it.

Peace

[Suudy]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Attitudes have a lot to do with what we do. Why do people not work their Alma mater? Why do people not work at schools their kids or relatives attend? Why do people not work games in the town they live?

It is not because they are going to do anything bias.

Heck I got off a game last year where the girl I was seriously dating and now live with, her cousin was the coach of one of the teams. Now I would have been totally professional if I had to work the game. But I told the tournament director that of this association and allowed him to move me if he saw fit. Why do you think I had that conversation with the TD and my girlfriend's cousins? Attitudes. This is just another reason all things need to be considered as well. Because what was the accusation that someone has to answer for? Yep you got it.

Peace

Please don't misunderstand me. Attitudes do have an impact. My argument is that attitudes about race shouldn't matter. Unlike your situation, your association with others was a choice. Race isn't a choice. And attitudes that because of race there should be or has been different treatment are the source of the problem here. Pandering to people's attitudes (with respect to intrinsic, unalterable characteristics) in order to avoid perceptions of bias does nothing to change those attitudes.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Suudy

Please don't misunderstand me. Attitudes do have an impact. My argument is that attitudes about race shouldn't matter. Unlike your situation, your association with others was a choice. Race isn't a choice. And attitudes that because of race there should be or has been different treatment are the source of the problem here. Pandering to people's attitudes (with respect to intrinsic, unalterable characteristics) in order to avoid perceptions of bias does nothing to change those attitudes.

Attitudes about where you live should not matter but they do. And that is why at least in Basketball the State of Kentucky has a law about the racial diversity of the officials that work the State Finals or post season. And it is even a law that the officials that work the Kentucky-Louisville football game, cannot be residence from the state of Kentucky as well. When they used to play that game early in the year, many Chicago area officials or Big Ten crews worked that game to avoid that conflict.

I am not talking about what should be the case. I am talking about what is the case. And we can put our head in the sand about what the world should be like, but in this case that issue was raised whether it was valid or not.


I did not say I was supporting the coach in what he said or the claim he made. Just stating that often times how you come up with a crew can help eliminate perceptions that are often held regardless of how true those perceptions might be.

Peace

[Rich]

Instead of changing the crew, how about changing the coach instead? Obviously that's the one with the problem.

[SCalScoreKeeper]

Best of the Best should get the call at this time of the year.Here in California the CIF-SS will only hear eligibility protests.Any protests involving NFHS rules are to be handled at the contest and coaches are encouraged to carry the rulebook with them at all times.

[LeRoy]

My question to the coach - Why did YOU get a penalty that late in the game. YOU should apologize to your kids and fans and say to them if I would have NOT gotten the penalty our boys would have won the game. Also I hope as independent contractors (Officials) in that area that they boycott working ANY football games at Douglass High School next year. Let's all remember this all started as the coach made a mistake!!!! like getting a penalty. It all falls on his shoulders!!!!!!!!!!! Now we have a judge stopping football that is NOT right. I also have questions what happens if they are forced to replay the game and there is a major incident like a kid blowing out his ACL or something else. Who is going to be responsible for that ??